Pop culture in a Nazi-US Cold War:

How would that differ from the OTL pop culture?

For instance, James Bond might be fighting pseudo-Nazis instead of pseudo-Soviets, and since most Axis victory scenarios will only have a European Axis win, Asian Axis powers are going to lose....

Perhaps instead of the Red Bamboo, it's the Swastika Bamboo! :eek:

Since I like Comics, I was speculating on the course of superhero comics...

Batman might well face supervillains of a more Nazi bent, and any Watchmen analogue would be much more dark, owing to the nature of the Nazi threat.

Superhero comics as a whole might become darker and grittier, and *Victor Von Doom might be an anti-hero as opposed to a villain IATL. Superman might become controversial due to his similarities to the Nazi archetype of the Ubermensch, which might lead to no Superman comics once PC hits, and a replacement with lower-powered heroes.

Villains of the Trigon-Galactus-Imperiex-Mephisto type may all show similarities with the Greater Germanic Empire, as it provides an obvious model. Galactus might well be a conquering Fuhrer of a large army, sort of a World-smashing version of Annihilus, while Trigon in DC Comics might be a large-scale threat, perhaps the DC version of Galactus. Imperiex would of course still be a Galactus rip-off.

There might also be a political edge to characters like Hellboy, Alexander Luthor Jr., or Raven, or Colossus or Red Star that doesn't exist IOTL. A demon fighting for good against his heritage might be politicized against Nazi racial doctrine, and a half-human like Raven would be sort of an antithesis of the society of Nazi Germany, where race-laws demanding purity would be firmly enforced, while Russians such as Colossus and Red Star might be propaganda creations to enforce the idea that Russians are humans, too.

How do you see things like this being used in Nazi-victory worlds?
 
For instance, James Bond might be fighting pseudo-Nazis instead of pseudo-Soviets, and since most Axis victory scenarios will only have a European Axis win, Asian Axis powers are going to lose....

Bond didn't fight communists. Not much anyway, both Flemming and the moviemakers invented all those silly bad guys rather then having acctual communists as bad guys. And I can't remeber any movie with clear communist bad guys. One can speculate as to why, be it libural Hollywood or something else but there is no reason to assume pop culture to be that anti-nazi.
 

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Well, things like the Terminator are made by a German AI, instead of an American one, sent back in time from the future when Germany used it to conquer the world, and then the AI knew it was going to be dismantled, became self-aware and took the inter-connected Robot Army and killed all the Nazis...

...Then came back, for Helga O'Konnar.
 
Bond didn't fight communists. Not much anyway, both Flemming and the moviemakers invented all those silly bad guys rather then having acctual communists as bad guys. And I can't remeber any movie with clear communist bad guys. One can speculate as to why, be it libural Hollywood or something else but there is no reason to assume pop culture to be that anti-nazi.

I dunno, Blofeld always struck me as a Soviet leader in disguise.
 
How would that differ from the OTL pop culture?

For instance, James Bond might be fighting pseudo-Nazis instead of pseudo-Soviets, and since most Axis victory scenarios will only have a European Axis win, Asian Axis powers are going to lose....

Perhaps instead of the Red Bamboo, it's the Swastika Bamboo! :eek:

Since I like Comics, I was speculating on the course of superhero comics...

Batman might well face supervillains of a more Nazi bent, and any Watchmen analogue would be much more dark, owing to the nature of the Nazi threat.

Superhero comics as a whole might become darker and grittier, and *Victor Von Doom might be an anti-hero as opposed to a villain IATL. Superman might become controversial due to his similarities to the Nazi archetype of the Ubermensch, which might lead to no Superman comics once PC hits, and a replacement with lower-powered heroes.

Villains of the Trigon-Galactus-Imperiex-Mephisto type may all show similarities with the Greater Germanic Empire, as it provides an obvious model. Galactus might well be a conquering Fuhrer of a large army, sort of a World-smashing version of Annihilus, while Trigon in DC Comics might be a large-scale threat, perhaps the DC version of Galactus. Imperiex would of course still be a Galactus rip-off.

There might also be a political edge to characters like Hellboy, Alexander Luthor Jr., or Raven, or Colossus or Red Star that doesn't exist IOTL. A demon fighting for good against his heritage might be politicized against Nazi racial doctrine, and a half-human like Raven would be sort of an antithesis of the society of Nazi Germany, where race-laws demanding purity would be firmly enforced, while Russians such as Colossus and Red Star might be propaganda creations to enforce the idea that Russians are humans, too.

How do you see things like this being used in Nazi-victory worlds?
I'd assume the dynamics would be similar in Drakaverse.
 
I dunno, Blofeld always struck me as a Soviet leader in disguise.

I think say a lot if they feel they have to disuise him in the first place. The real communist would have made exelent villains, not only due to their evilness but also also because they had as much style as the nazis. Even more if we belive some of the more deprived stories.

For some reason, that did't move into pop culture. I'm not sure if it was some kind of fear, not wanting to make the cold war colder or even hotter, some leftist bias in Hollywood or some efficient propaganda by the Soviets.

Which is a shame really. It would have made better movies.
 
Hollywood would probably have a major rivalry with German propaganda films. You can just see Stallone and Arnie in an epic cinematic war of political propaganda for the title of biggest action star.
 
Hollywood would probably have a major rivalry with German propaganda films. You can just see Stallone and Arnie in an epic cinematic war of political propaganda for the title of biggest action star.


Instead of Ivan Drago in Rocky4, its Ahnuld, wouldnt that be neat.:cool:
 
Hollywood would probably have a major rivalry with German propaganda films. You can just see Stallone and Arnie in an epic cinematic war of political propaganda for the title of biggest action star.

Pff. The Nazis could make a good propaganda flick, but their pop culture sucked.

Mickey Mouse FTW!

More seriously, Germans in the 1930s were well aware of this OTL; they often tried to listen to foreign radio stations, and many grumbled about the loss of Disney films. So, no contest.
 
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