Poll: When Would the CSA Eliminate Slavery

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by kernals12, May 9, 2019.

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By What Point Would The Confederacy Have Eradicated Slavery?

  1. 1870

    1.3%
  2. 1875

    0.7%
  3. 1880

    5.3%
  4. 1885

    6.3%
  5. 1890

    13.9%
  6. 1895

    7.3%
  7. 1900 or After

    65.2%
  1. kernals12 Well-Known Member

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    It is unthinkable that the Confederate states would still have slavery today even if they won the Civil War, given that pretty much every other country abolished it eventually.
     
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  2. Dolan Lookin fer Gooby

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    Large-Scale Chattel Slavery in plantations would likely to end in early 1900s, due to simple economic uncompetitiveness if anything, but they would definitely ended.

    Small scale domestic slaves however, is likely to last literally forever. Just look at North African, Middle Eastern, South Asian, and South East Asian countries... A middle-class family there could easily afford a live-in domestic worker (usually a poor girl) paid only by food, clothing, and shelter, alongside a pitiable few *pocket money* that isn't really a wage. With legalized slavery, I could see that type of de-facto slavery would be filled with literal slaves.
     
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  3. JDF_01 Perra condescendiente

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    Near to mauritania's date of abolishment...
     
  4. Kerney defender of low probability atls everywhere

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    I voted 1890 but it's highly variable.

    An 1864 victorious Confederacy is different from an 1862 victory CSA. I suspect the more institutions have suffered during the war, the weaker they are. Slavery is one such institution

    The CSA would probably go through some reorganizing after the war, much like the USA did after the ARW, so the idea that the 1861 Constitution being in force, unamended, is unlikely. So it's not guaranteed that it's provisions toward slavery are in force. If having those provisions weakened is the price of British intervention, they could be weakened.

    End of slavery would probably be gradual, with those born after a certain age being free. I chose my date as the start, not the end of abolition.
     
  5. herkles Well-Known Member

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    It would be abolished when the revolution came that over through the CSA and created the CSSA; or what ever name they decide to call a socialist confederate country.
     
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  6. NolanFoster Tulsi 2020

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    Never. Slavery and white mastery is vindicated. Brazilian and Cuban elites feel emboldened to defend their social order forcefully. The political reality of having intervened on behalf of, and having close relations with a slave state leads British conservatism to de-emphasize abolitionism. It becomes associated with religious fanatics, socialists, and other reformists and discontents.

    By the turn of the century, the long running American trend of land and slaves ending up in fewer hands in the south leads to a system of massive plantations with thousands of slaves. The price of cotton has declined from its heyday, but new markets continue to open and the Confederacy is king in quantity and quality.

    Poor whites have been emigrating to the US by the millions in search of land and factory jobs. Confederate industry remains overwhelmingly light, labor intensive, and under-capitalized, relying on slave labor, much of which is slack labor from the countryside, which has its own light industrial base on the plantations. All attempts to adapt modern steel production processes and manufacture of engines and factory machinery to slave labor have so far not produced profitable enterprises. As a result, most Confederate military production potential is by state owned armories using skilled white laborers, which is fine as few southerners would be comfortable with slaves assembling guns and shells.
     
  7. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes during early decades of 20th century, at least in large scale due economic changes and internaltional pressure. But it is still possible that rich families have slaves as servants much longer.
     
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  8. James Ricker Own your mistakes

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    I don't see slavery ending in the CSA until large numbers of Civil War veterans have died of old age.
     
  9. kernals12 Well-Known Member

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    An international boycott of all Confederate exports would probably do the trick.
     
  10. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    Surely. Foreign trade is important to CSA. It has either abolish slavery or suffer about international boycott or even blockade.
     
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  11. kernals12 Well-Known Member

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    If the South Had Won The Civil War, the most influential Confederate Victory AH, written by Mackinlay Kantor in 1960, has slavery being abolished in 1885. Although, his AH is rather optimistic about relations between the Union and the Confederacy (and Texas, which winds up seceding from the CSA), saying that they'd be on the same side of both World Wars and wind up reuniting due to the threat of Soviet Missile Bases in Alaska (the US never purchases Alaska).
     
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  12. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    Most likely it exports to Mexico even if it has to smuggle it in. Mexico is too poverty-stricken to turn away any cash.
     
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  13. The Tai-Pan The Pagemaster/Plogmonger

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    Everything before the 1880's is a insane pipe dream. The generation that won the war will still be firmly in power (if not more so) at that point.
     
  14. Lalli Well-Known Member

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    It is very optimistic to think that CSA would abolish slavery before 1900. There was still much of veterans left and they hardly are happy when they notice that they have wasted some years of their lives and seen deaths of many of their comrades for saving Southern system and then politicians are going betreay them.

    And there is quiet much of butterfly killing too seemingly. And I am bit unsure if there is re-unification of CSA and USA, at least in peaceful methods.
     
  15. herkles Well-Known Member

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    remember nazis had slave labor for their factories, and the south could have done the same.

    I still believe my point is that the CSA, which was explicitly founded on slavery as its core principal, would abolish slavery after suffering a communist revolution of some sort.
     
  16. CountDVB Dual Emperor of the Aztech and Maychanical Empires

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    I doubt they’d want anything to with them since they’d piss off the USA
     
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  17. AnonymousSauce The 7 Deadly Butterflies of Shaolin

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    It wasn't chattel slave labor though, it was people earmarked for death that they viewed being any productivity out of as lagniappe.
     
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  18. Johnrankins Well-Known Member

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    Plausible deniability. Could Mexico even stop it if they tried hard? Mexico doesn't have nearly the manpower or resources to stop it IMO. It is a damn long border and Mexico is damn poor. Some of the people policing the border would be no doubt bribable. Hell, the US couldn't stop cotton smuggling during the ACW how can Mexico?
     
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  19. Uruk Meatshield of KGS

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    No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.
     
  20. CountDVB Dual Emperor of the Aztech and Maychanical Empires

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    Because it’s become a bigger issue in the long run and There would be other sources of cotton or other places to grow it.
     
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