POLL: Most 'evil' states in history

What is to you the most evil state that existed before 1900?

  • Austria(-Hungary)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bulgaria

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Byzantine Empire

    Votes: 4 1.0%
  • Crusader States

    Votes: 15 3.8%
  • Frankish Empire

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • France (post Frankish Empire)

    Votes: 4 1.0%
  • Germany

    Votes: 6 1.5%
  • Holy Roman Empire

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Macedonian Empire

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Ottoman Empire

    Votes: 37 9.3%
  • Portugal

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Roman Empire

    Votes: 5 1.3%
  • Russia

    Votes: 7 1.8%
  • Safavid persia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Spain

    Votes: 50 12.6%
  • United Kingdom

    Votes: 44 11.1%
  • United States

    Votes: 17 4.3%
  • Others

    Votes: 50 12.6%
  • Netherlands

    Votes: 2 0.5%
  • Mongolian Empire

    Votes: 150 37.8%

  • Total voters
    397
I think i'll finnaly go with the mongol empire, my reasonning being that they conquered, enslaved and killed like all the other ones present but, contrary to them, never built anything of their own, never discovered or brought any advancement be artistic or scientific.
They pillaged and relied on the accomplishment of others to survive, like some sort of giant, civilisation wide, leech.

EDIT: obviously I dont mean about the individuals that composed the empire but the empire as a whole
 
After giving it some thought, I kinda got to go for Spain. I mean, the enslavement and destruction of native societies, the inquisition against Jews and Moors in their own lands. Really a rather brutal state, when you consider it.
 
Too bad we can't vote for multiple choices. I voted for the Mongol Empire, but I also would have gone for Spain, the Ottomans and the Crusader States.
 
As was pointed out in another thread, the Macedonians did lots of stuff people associate with the Mongols, and the Mongols were actually pretty easy to get along with provided you cooperated with them.
 
I can kind of (well, kind of) understand the reasoning for putting all these countries into the poll...except one. What evil was the Holy Roman Empire associated with?
 
I can kind of (well, kind of) understand the reasoning for putting all these countries into the poll...except one. What evil was the Holy Roman Empire associated with?

I'd guess the Northern Crusades against the Baltic Sea tribes and Lithuania. Or that was just the Teutoni Knights. Just a guess.
 
Does any one remember the Tasmanian Genocide? The British Empire killed all the men and forced the women to carry their severed heads.
 

Isaac Beach

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Does any one remember the Tasmanian Genocide? The British Empire killed all the men and forced the women to carry their severed heads.

I do. The only truly successful genocide in history, in that there are literally no ‘real’ Tasmanian Aborigines left, just 29,000 mixed race individuals. However where did you read about the severed heads? I consider this one of my few historical areas of expertise and I’ve never read anything about women being forced to carry severed heads around. Beheadings sure, but that seems particularly atrocious and I feel it’d warrant more historical analysis if it’s true.
 
I do. The only truly successful genocide in history, in that there are literally no ‘real’ Tasmanian Aborigines left, just 29,000 mixed race individuals. However where did you read about the severed heads? I consider this one of my few historical areas of expertise and I’ve never read anything about women being forced to carry severed heads around. Beheadings sure, but that seems particularly atrocious and I feel it’d warrant more historical analysis if it’s true.

The death count for the British Empire throughout history was about one hundred fifty million people, and I heard it in the video on the ten most destructive empires in history. They beat out Nazi Germany and the Communist States.
 

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Nazi Germany is the layup pick
This is only about states that existed Before 1900.

The death count for the British Empire throughout history was about one hundred fifty million people, and I heard it in the video on the ten most destructive empires in history. They beat out Nazi Germany and the Communist States.
That could be true, but a Top 10 video on YouTube isn't exactly the best of sources.
 

Isaac Beach

Banned
The death count for the British Empire throughout history was about one hundred fifty million people, and I heard it in the video on the ten most destructive empires in history. They beat out Nazi Germany and the Communist States.

That sounds... wrong. 150 million seems gratuitous. I’m trying to think where the majority of those deaths would arise from. India I suppose, but quickly aggregating the famines that occurred under British rule (I ignored the Chalisa Famine because British culpability is difficult to prove in that scenario) I only got 36 million. Could all the war and disease they unleashed elsewhere really make up the other 114 million? Even in thinly populated places like southern Africa and the Americas? I have no doubt that Britain’s various colonial activities could wrack up that death count by proxy, but as a direct consequence of British imperialism seems to be stretching numbers, at least to me.

And as aforementioned, a YouTube Top Ten video probably isn’t the reliable source. Their goal is to shock and awe, so they might be in the business of stretching numbers and facts.
 
That sounds... wrong. 150 million seems gratuitous. I’m trying to think where the majority of those deaths would arise from. India I suppose, but quickly aggregating the famines that occurred under British rule (I ignored the Chalisa Famine because British culpability is difficult to prove in that scenario) I only got 36 million. Could all the war and disease they unleashed elsewhere really make up the other 114 million? Even in thinly populated places like southern Africa and the Americas? I have no doubt that Britain’s various colonial activities could wrack up that death count by proxy, but as a direct consequence of British imperialism seems to be stretching numbers, at least to me.

And as aforementioned, a YouTube Top Ten video probably isn’t the reliable source. Their goal is to shock and awe, so they might be in the business of stretching numbers and facts.

Could be wrong.
 
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