Poll: Germany wins WWI but A-H collapses anyway. What happens?

What happens to A-H territories if Germany wins WWI but A-H collapses anyway?

  • Germany does not incorporate any territory from former A-H

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Germany only incorporates German Austria

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Germany incorporates German Austria + some satellital territories like Carniola and Trieste

    Votes: 22 37.3%
  • Germany incorporates most of Austria, excepting Dalmatia and Galizia

    Votes: 14 23.7%
  • Germany incorporates all Austria, but not Hungary

    Votes: 3 5.1%
  • Germany incorporartes all Austria + some territories of Hungary with German population

    Votes: 10 16.9%
  • Germany incorporates both Austria and Hungary

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
So, let's consider that Germany defeats the allies in WWI, but Austria-Hungary collapses anyway due to the internal fights between their nationalities and so.

What would happen then?

Here it is a poll with different options for the fate of the former A-H territories. Consider that the German victory allows them to impose certain territorial annexations, but it is not overwhelming enough to i.e. enforce the Brest-Litovsk Treaty to its whole extent.
 

All Rounder

Gone Fishin'
German Austria would be annexed and Hungary would be supported, the rest would be left to do their own business.
 
That really depends on the kind of victory and what happens to Germany itself.

Well, I thought about the most likely scenario in the case of a German victory in 1918: enough to proceed with some border re-drawing, but not overwhelming enough for a drastical change in Europe like it could have happened if Brest-Litovsk would be fully implemented.
 

TFSmith121

Banned
So, let's consider that Germany defeats the allies in WWI, but Austria-Hungary collapses anyway due to the internal fights between their nationalities and so.

What would happen then?

Here it is a poll with different options for the fate of the former A-H territories. Consider that the German victory allows them to impose certain territorial annexations, but it is not overwhelming enough to i.e. enforce the Brest-Litovsk Treaty to its whole extent.

Depends on the when and where of the victory, of course.

Stalemate in 1914-15 that leads to a settlement?

Re-run of 1871 in the West in 1914?

All as historical to Russian collapse in 1917, US stays out, and Anglo-French come to the table?

Need some more detail.

Best,
 
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LordKalvert

Banned
Assuming that Russia and France are beaten badly enough that Austria's collapse doesn't simply lead to a new round of war, the Germans are unlikely to annex anything

Austria would represent a danger to the internal power structure of the reich. Being Catholic, it would disrupt the religious harmony as well. The Protestant Prussians are certainly not inclined to add the Catholic Austrians to their number

A small Austria completely dependent on Berlin would seem an ideal solution
 
Well, I think the fact that the nations were explicitly forbidden from unifying in the peace treaties would indicate that there was a major chance of it happening, even in a TL where the Allies win.
 
Austria & Bohemia/Moravia seem quite logical. Not exactly desired by the Prussian Junckers, maybe, so it kind of depends on the when - if the war lasts until Ludendorff & Hindenburg are ruling things, they may keep more out, if it ends before then, the civilian government will likely be pressured to accept them in.
 
Assuming that Russia and France are beaten badly enough that Austria's collapse doesn't simply lead to a new round of war, the Germans are unlikely to annex anything

Austria would represent a danger to the internal power structure of the reich. Being Catholic, it would disrupt the religious harmony as well. The Protestant Prussians are certainly not inclined to add the Catholic Austrians to their number

A small Austria completely dependent on Berlin would seem an ideal solution

Or an Austria linked to Prussia in a personal union.

In any case, given how limited the Reichstag's powers were, would having some Austrian Deputies really be such a big deal? After all, they are likely to be split between Social Democrats and some Austrian version of the Centre Party, so they won't present a united front.
 
Assuming that Russia and France are beaten badly enough that Austria's collapse doesn't simply lead to a new round of war, the Germans are unlikely to annex anything

Austria would represent a danger to the internal power structure of the reich. Being Catholic, it would disrupt the religious harmony as well. The Protestant Prussians are certainly not inclined to add the Catholic Austrians to their number

A small Austria completely dependent on Berlin would seem an ideal solution

And the religious issue isn't really that important in the 1920's or even the 1910's. If they annexed Austria, the religious issue would become an non-issue anyway.
 
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