Yeah a throne like China's is only going to be taken by force. Especially given how xenophobic the Chinese historically are.
Politeia tōn Rhōmaiōn: The Restored Roman Republic
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Agreed. Then again, even the Tang Dynasty might not have been ethnically Han. In the right circumstances, anything is possible.
MAP: Rise of Genghis Khan
Dark Green: Keraite homelands
Medium Green: Mongol tribes united by Genghis Khan
Light Green: Chinese states conquered by Genghis Khan
Yellow: Wu China
Brown: Goryeo
Is the TTL backbone of the Mongol Army still horse archers? Having a complement of gunpowder infantry (and cavalry?) makes for a pretty terrifying force, they may not be as mobile but will annihilate anything in their path, army or castle.
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Correct. That said, I don’t want anyone reading this to think I’m making super-Mongols. The biggest differences so far are that their first Khan is a Nestorian Christian, and he has peaceful relations with the main southern Chinese Dynasty.
I just realized that I may have accidentally written a China-wank. Once the Mongols reach Europe, and they get access to the ‘norse corn’ (maize), it will reach China. And then they’ll have all the major staple crops.
And I also wrote a smaller black plague a few centuries early, so when a Pax Mongolica allows for a large incubation of plague, it may be less deadly across Eurasia. At least, proportionately less deadly.
The spread of Maize may be slowed if Mongolia fractures or goes to war with China. The great Khan may be the son-in-law of China's emperor but it's difficult to see a peace lasting very long. The Mongolians have a huge chunk of China's heartland. The current ruler may be content with it since it's a newer dynasty and they're allies, but future rulers would be drawn toward reclaiming land from the barbarians. On the other hand for the Mongolians, the rich Chinese clay is much more attractive to conquer than poorer lands that are farther from their power base.
Though a China with Maize is a terrifying prospect, especially considering irl they were pretty wanked until the later Qing.
Though a China with Maize is a terrifying prospect, especially considering irl they were pretty wanked until the later Qing.
Depending on the conquest, it could be that a Mongolian conquest of China would speed up the spread of the new crop. They were historically keen on the exchange of ideas in their empire.
Quick solicitation:
What are your favorite Mongol AH tropes? Go nuts, no suggestion is off limits, and I have yet to be committed to any particular idea. I have a few tentative ideas, including a very different alt-Yuan (open to other dynasty names, too, but might stick with Yuan anyway), and, of course, success where they failed and failures where they succeeded.
About the only thing I’m commited to is that we will see Mongols vs Romans.
What are your favorite Mongol AH tropes? Go nuts, no suggestion is off limits, and I have yet to be committed to any particular idea. I have a few tentative ideas, including a very different alt-Yuan (open to other dynasty names, too, but might stick with Yuan anyway), and, of course, success where they failed and failures where they succeeded.
About the only thing I’m commited to is that we will see Mongols vs Romans.
Actually thats the one I wouldnt want to see. See its waaay to common to see the mongols come west crush everything and threaten western civilization in epic battles. Id actually like to see the mongols come west and maybe be the new russia (be a huge nation that rules the steppes but sees no reason to come off the steppes). Let them make peaceful contact rather then attack everyone in sight.
Mongol-settled New World when?
In all seriousness, it would be nice to see a more Mongolified (Mongolized?) Middle East with permanent cultural influence from them there instead of a few successor states that eventually collapsed like the Ilkhanate and the Jalayirids (not having Timur and/or the Black Death appear would help a lot with that).
Religious tolerance and pluralism taken to slightly absurd levels. I love hearing about otherwise-obscure faiths and denominations that survived and thrived for a time on the steppes (Nestorian Christianity, Manichaeism, Mandaeism, etc.) alongside the more 'conventional' or 'expected' faiths (Buddhism, Islam, Tengriism), and whatever weird ATL syncretisms the author comes up with. I've heard stories of OTL Mongol leaders getting blessed by Christian priests, Muslim imams, Buddhist monks, and animist shamans all at the same time to secure good fortune on campaign (just covering all their bases, I suppose), and that sort of mental image is just so wonderfully different from anything else I might instinctively think of when reading about the Middle Ages. One unfortunately abandoned TL wound up with a community of Lucifer-venerating quasi-Gnostic believers taking root out on the steppe, and while I'm not expecting anything quite so off-the-walls here, I'd still be very interested in seeing what you do with the incredibly diverse patchwork of faiths and peoples under the Mongol umbrella.
Oh yeah on a kinda unrelated note the Mongols weren't all that religiously tolerant in certain respects. For example I remember one incident when they forced Jews and Muslims to eat non Kosher/Halal foods under the pretense that "Mongol slaves eat Mongol food"
I’ve read this TL before, and I was disappointed to see it seemingly end abruptly. I’m glad to hear you’re still continuing this, and I hope for more updates.
Also, when will you make a guide for the political system of Rome from the Restititio of 1204? I think you mentioned making one of those, but I couldn’t find one. Plus, you forgot to threadmark an update.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...d-roman-republic.386625/page-25#post-16027305
Also, when will you make a guide for the political system of Rome from the Restititio of 1204? I think you mentioned making one of those, but I couldn’t find one. Plus, you forgot to threadmark an update.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...d-roman-republic.386625/page-25#post-16027305
Sorry to have kept you waiting so long! What aort of guide were you thinking? Like one of those charts from wikipedia on various governments?
Don’t worry!
As for the guide, it's Kind of like a flow chart, like the ones you see at school. Here’s an example:
