Polish and Czech Anti-German Alliance

Perhaps between them they could develop a competitve fighter to completment that bomber the Pole built, and they could certainly utilise the good Chzech tanks.
1. Poland already had a good tank, the 7TP. No need for Czech ones.
2. Aircraft wise:
a) the bomber you mention is most likely PZL.37 Los - it was just being put into frontline use by the end of 1938... and it had some nasty bugs to hammer down (lost around a dozen in crashes)
b) the lack of modern Polish fighter can be pinned down to the choice of Bristol engine license in 1930. If instead Wright engine was chosen instead, in 1938 Poland would probably have sth like 100 PZL.24 analogues (4MG, 430km/h top speed - not bad, considering that Bf 109 C/D had 440/460km/h top speed and the same armanent).

Hmmm. Also considering that Germany would have in the above scenario to deal with Poland and Czechoslovakia at the same time, Wehrmacht, I think, would put most of its forces against Poland...
 
Here is another idea. WI Poland and Hungary blackmail Czechoslovakia into concessions in return for their assistance, once it becomes clear that the western powers do not intend to guarantee Czechoslovakia's borders. Poland would recieve Teschen. Hungary would get what was granted to it in OTL as the Vienna Award, as well as Burgenland (assuming war breaks out, and this triple alliance wins). Slovakia may or may not become a joint Polish-Hungarian protectorate. The Czechs would have found at least the first option (keeping most of Slovakia) preferable by far to the loss of Sudetenland and being at Germany's mercy.
 
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Why? The Czechs considered Sudetenland essential to their survival as an independant state. If most of Slovakia stayed with the Czechs, some periphereal areas of it, and a sliver of land around Teschen would doubtlessly be assigned a lesser importance. Especially if giving that away meant gaining two allies.
 
Why? The Czechs considered Sudetenland essential to their survival as an independent state. If most of Slovakia stayed with the Czechs, some peripheral areas of it, and a sliver of land around Teschen would doubtlessly be assigned a lesser importance. Especially if giving that away meant gaining two allies.
But it only became clear that western allies did not want to guarantee the Czech's borders at the Munich Agreement. So, a little too late to do much good, those allies, since they're completely unprepared.
Besides, not much of an alliance, if it's forged at gunpoint.
 
1. Poland already had a good tank, the 7TP. No need for Czech ones.
2. Aircraft wise:
a) the bomber you mention is most likely PZL.37 Los - it was just being put into frontline use by the end of 1938... and it had some nasty bugs to hammer down (lost around a dozen in crashes)
b) the lack of modern Polish fighter can be pinned down to the choice of Bristol engine license in 1930. If instead Wright engine was chosen instead, in 1938 Poland would probably have sth like 100 PZL.24 analogues (4MG, 430km/h top speed - not bad, considering that Bf 109 C/D had 440/460km/h top speed and the same armanent).

Hmmm. Also considering that Germany would have in the above scenario to deal with Poland and Czechoslovakia at the same time, Wehrmacht, I think, would put most of its forces against Poland...

Fighters could have been supplied by CZ - the best one in central Europe at the time was the Avia B-534. Czech fighter planes and Polish bombers... How cool is that ? :D
 
A thing to consider is that not an unsubstantial part of the Luftwaffe was biplane fighters at the time, and many of the monoplanes were Bf 109B and C/D, which had far worse performance than the E variant they used 1939-1940.

Also, much of the best and brightest of the Luftwaffe and to a lesser extent the Heer are embroiled in Spain at the time of the München crisis.

The Germans learned a lot in Poland 1939, things that they applied in France 1940. In a conflict of 1938, that experience is not available, neither is the Spanish experiences, yet.

The Czechoslovaks and Poles both have a land border to a friendly nation, Romania, which can provide them with ports to ship arms, from France.

Even if the western allies do not get directly involved (I think they will stay out the first 3-4 months, if the Poles and Czechoslovaks hold out that long, public opinion will DEMAND action), they will sell arms at heavy discount prices.

Czechoslovakia had a strategic alliance with the Soviets at the time, and while the Poles were communist-phobic, the Romanians were not. Stalin would most likely be quite willing to sell weapons and send "volunteers" through Romania.

This would be the new fight against fascism, and I could see quite a few of the International Birgadists (the Brigades were disbanded September 1938) ending up in this fight.

I think the Czechoslovaks had the 3rd biggest gold reserve at the time, which means they got resources to get arms and supplies for a long fight.

The Germans will have it very tough indeed.
 
The Czechoslovaks and Poles both have a land border to a friendly nation, Romania, which can provide them with ports to ship arms, from France.

Czechoslovakia had a strategic alliance with the Soviets at the time, and while the Poles were communist-phobic, the Romanians were not. Stalin would most likely be quite willing to sell weapons and send "volunteers" through Romania.

Did you know about the so-called "Little Entente" treaty, signed in the 1920s between Czechoslovakia, Romania and Yugoslavia ? It was primarily a military and political alliance formed by the trio against Hungary - which was at the time under Horthy's autocrathic and revenge-seeking regime. The whole treaty had very little opportunities to be put to practical use in OTL - it gradually dissolved during the last 2-3 pre-war years...

My point is : Allthough the treaty would have practicaly no involvement in the upcoming war with the Nazis, the diplomatic relationships it helped established with Romania, would be quite a nice trumpcard in the hands of Czechoslovakia. Either way, the first thing, that would have to be established, would be the CZ - Polish alliance...
 
Czechoslovakia had a strategic alliance with the Soviets at the time, and while the Poles were communist-phobic, the Romanians were not. Stalin would most likely be quite willing to sell weapons and send "volunteers" through Romania.

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The Romanians hated Stalin.
 
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The Romanians hated Stalin.

Yeah, and I'm afraid, that Czechoslovakia had no positive diplomatic relations with the USSR either... At the end of the war and in the years after it - yes. But Czechoslovakia of the pre-war period certainly didn't view communists or communist states as something overly positive. Comunnists were in fact normally regarded as the most insidious and supsicious of all political parties in the country.
 
Nazi-Soviet Pact, 1938

A Polish-Czech alliance in war with Germany could lead to an earlier deal between Hitler and Stalin... If France and Britain are helping to supply them, then you'd have a proxy war between the Allies and Germany AND the Soviet Union. So many butterflies... This has the makings of an incredible AH WWII!
 
A Polish-Czech alliance in war with Germany could lead to an earlier deal between Hitler and Stalin... If France and Britain are helping to supply them, then you'd have a proxy war between the Allies and Germany AND the Soviet Union. So many butterflies... This has the makings of an incredible AH WWII!
No, no, no. Wouldn't happen. Stalin after all supported Czechs at the time and was still making overtunes to French&UK.

BTW, about a USSR support for Czechoslovakia - I remember from somewhere that Romanians had unofficialy agreed to not disrupt USSR suppling Czechs, as long USSR used only airlift over Romania and that planes involved in that don't go under 3000m - it was supposedly because Romanian AAA didn't effectively reach above that level...
 
No, no, no. Wouldn't happen. Stalin after all supported Czechs at the time and was still making overtunes to French&UK.

BTW, about a USSR support for Czechoslovakia - I remember from somewhere that Romanians had unofficialy agreed to not disrupt USSR suppling Czechs, as long USSR used only airlift over Romania and that planes involved in that don't go under 3000m - it was supposedly because Romanian AAA didn't effectively reach above that level...

Nobody in '39 thought that the Nazis and Soviets would get together, so why not in '38? The Soviets were ever so forceful in their condemnation of the theft of the Sudentenland, right? Soviet arms flowed into Czechoslovakia afterward, right? I think not. Funny how our timeline Stalin got together with Hitler after he raped Czechoslovakia, considering the great love Stalin supposedly had for the Czechs...

As much as I would love for the SU to make Germany back down in '38, it ain't gonna happen. Stalin at this period only has eyes for internal dissent, not external threats...
 
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