Poland Stands with Czechoslovakia, a Different War TL

He complained about the Latin League not having any reason to exist when I devoted a whole story post to the circumstances surrounding it's development.
Having read the passages in question I have to agree with him. The problem that often arises with throwing the French and Italian fascists into the same batch is that their ideologies and aims cross wires in quite a few places. Ignoring that, Mussolini would only find any real benefit from that kind of alliance if he could have a free hand in the Balkans given it would mean sacrificing his claims to Savoy, Nice, Corsica, Tunisia, Djibouti, Algeria, the Cameroons........... but in this scenario he doesn't even get that much. There is nothing on the table which the French can reasonably offer him which could come close to the Germans could.
 
Having read the passages in question I have to agree with him. The problem that often arises with throwing the French and Italian fascists into the same batch is that their ideologies and aims cross wires in quite a few places. Ignoring that, Mussolini would only find any real benefit from that kind of alliance if he could have a free hand in the Balkans given it would mean sacrificing his claims to Savoy, Nice, Corsica, Tunisia, Djibouti, Algeria, the Cameroons........... but in this scenario he doesn't even get that much. There is nothing on the table which the French can reasonably offer him which could come close to the Germans could.

The French are backing Italian Claims to Tyrol and Mussolini and Louis Bonaparte are working off the Understanding that once Germany is beaten Down, France will have no further need of the Little Entente, allowing for an Italian Backed invasion of Yugoslavia with French Support.
 
Sorry, but he's basically telling me that the scenario is impossible even though it isn't and I have explained a lot of the problems he's had with it already.

At least that's what I think he's saying. I confess that such a giant wall of text is hard to get through. I read him asking why tech has advanced compared to IOTL, which as I've said before is due to an earlier remilitarization of Europe and the forming of Blocs in the mid 30s.

He complained about the Latin League not having any reason to exist when I devoted a whole story post to the circumstances surrounding it's development.

At that point the rest of the wall just started running together. . .
Well you incorporated to many changes into your timeline in my opinion. Not just in Polish Czechoslovak relations but across the word which makes it more complicated. For you too as you got to wide field to cover.
In my honest opinion it's pity you didn't stick to just change, improve Polish Czechoslovak relations and from there do some small changes which could improve Polish and Czechoslovak industry as well as military. For example Czechoslovaks needed AT rifle which Polish had and better smaller caliber AA. Poles on other side MG (vz 26 and 37 for example) and AT artillery. For 1938 light tanks available were OK, maybe just bitincreased numbers would be necessary.
Have to go to take my yorkie out now.
 
So should I let this die? Because I'm tempted to.

Well you have to be the one to decide. If you no longer have the inspiration, you could put this on hiatus until it might come back.

I do like this and hope you will continue though.

Best wishes no matter what you decide. :)
 
So should I let this die? Because I'm tempted to.
Go on, continue. Try to concentrate on Europe. I started my 1938 timeline few years ago but started to wide and got discouraged. Listen to comments. People usually don't comment if they are not interested.

Other TL 1938 I cooperated on was ISOT but once it got to the point it would include to big parts of Europe I droped out as I knew to little of it and didn't see logical outcome. But it was good till the point in my opinion and all participants and commentators had share on it.
Comments are meant to improve TL not to discourage author!

Good luck.
 
I enjoyed this TL, but I think it would benefit from a reboot. State more clearly why stuff happens. Why France and Italy got together? Why tech advancement is accelerated? Keep in mind that if it's because of blocs in the 1930's, ALL sides get the boost, not just PL-CZ.
 
I always like TLs when the little guys stand up to the big guys, especially in Eastern Europe, kudos to KnightofTempest for his idea and efforts, but i too must point out the less than realistic technical/technological alterations, which more often that not spoil a good TL, at least to some of us more obsessed with such little details.

Just to touch a few things, i think it's very unlikely to have the germans export Bf-109s or Ju-87s at this point to Hungary or Bulgaria, they couldn't built enough for themselves. Also all the a smaller airforces are too advanced for 1938 imo, i'm sure more realistic equipment OOBs can be drawn, still maintaining the numerical factor. Note that Bf-109B/C/D of 1938 won't be THAT superior to latest PZL-24 and Avia B-634, which can be used as stopgaps until a more realistic monoplane fighters timeline delivery.

As for technical cooperation, i see the czechs taking the lead in tanks and artillery, building together with their allies Poland, Romania etc. the LT-38/TNH (actually built in 1936 despite the designation), AH-IV tankette and perhaps other armoured vehicles like SPGs of which they had several prototypes of, excellent Skoda field artillery and Tatra trucks etc. I see the poles however having their excellent PZL-37 build in both Czechoslovakia (instead of SB-2), and Romania (instead of SM-79) but with GR 14K and then N engines, which were already built in Czechoslovakia (just the K in OTL, but surely the N would follow). Btw, PZL-23 is not a dive-bomber (and IAR-24 is a civillian plane, though i like what are you trying to do, i always thought of a military version of IAR-24 myself, fighter or light bomber- i'm romanian btw), i would have it powered by Walter GR14K engine rather than Avia HS-12Y, and i would use the 12Y for this bad boy, which again would be enthusiastically adopted as a fighter-bomber and dive-bomber: the PZL-38. With two 12Y engines with steadily increased power it would be a very competent machine. I would though keep the new fighters separate (because i like them all), and to give some uniqueness to each country, but accelerate them as much as realistically possible, so B-35/135 and PZL-50 deliveries (fitted with GR14K or N engine) and the romanian IAR-80 would start in numbers in 1938. Could have the PZL-46 developed as a dive-bomber from the start though, and could have it in initial service in 1938-39. Later, the successor of PZL-50 could be the PZL-55, fitted with improved 1000HP 12Y engine, probably equal in every respect to Bf-109E of 1939. Finally you could have the Praga E-51 with GR14M engines adopted as a recce machine for both Poland and Czecholsovakia.

I'm not sure whose side is Italy, are they still selling to anyone with money? They could still sell to both Entente and the opposing Bulgaria and Hungary then, is that correct?

Anyway, just my ideas as to how all this could be made more realistic, no offense intended really.
 
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Btw in OTL by about 1938-39 Hungary was buying gear from Germany (but not first class) and Italy, they have bough 66 Ju-86 bombers, some He-70 and He-46 recce biplanes from Germany, CR-32 and 42 fighters from Italy as well as Ca-310 and Ca-135 bombers, and they were trying to buy Bf-109 and He-112. In this TL you could have them get a bit more contemporary italian gear and second line german to reach the numbers you wish.

Bulgaria was buying from Germany (obsolete stuff like He-51, Do-11, He-45) and Poland (PZL-24 and PZL-43), and they got a big infusion (B-534, S-328, MB-200, B-71) after the OTL czechoslovakian dismembering. But in this TL they could buy gear from Italy and a bit more second line german stuff.

Yugoslavia was buying from UK and Germany and some from Italy, could still buy from UK and Italy in addition to Poland and Cz- again if the italians keep selling to anyone with money no matter who.
 
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Fascinating idea, always wondered why Poland and Czechoslovakia didn't help each other IOTL since they were basically both fucked in the beginnings of WWII.
With that in mind, I was wondering what the POD was for Korea to remain a protectorate within the Empire of Japan(as indicated in an update on Asia) - I certainly couldn't see that happening with any post-1900 POD. It'd be better if it remained a colony of Japan's, as per OTL.
 
Fascinating idea, always wondered why Poland and Czechoslovakia didn't help each other IOTL since they were basically both fucked in the beginnings of WWII.
With that in mind, I was wondering what the POD was for Korea to remain a protectorate within the Empire of Japan(as indicated in an update on Asia) - I certainly couldn't see that happening with any post-1900 POD. It'd be better if it remained a colony of Japan's, as per OTL.

Korea was De Jure a Protectorate of Japan even into the 30's, though it was de facto just another Colony by that point. The Korean Succession was even held onto well into the 20's with the Korean Emperor's Family intermarrying with a Branch House of the Japanese Imperial Family. Ironically it was that intermarriage which partly assured that when Japan Lost the War, Korea would not be going back to a monarchy.

The ITTL Plans for Manchuria are much the same, Hirohito plans on marrying Puyi's Firstborn to another, seperate cadet branch of the Japanese Imperial Family and making them De Facto another Colony in much the same way.

That being said, I don't think I'm going to continue this, too many people have spoken out against it.
 
Korea was De Jure a Protectorate of Japan even into the 30's, though it was de facto just another Colony by that point. The Korean Succession was even held onto well into the 20's with the Korean Emperor's Family intermarrying with a Branch House of the Japanese Imperial Family. Ironically it was that intermarriage which partly assured that when Japan Lost the War, Korea would not be going back to a monarchy.

The ITTL Plans for Manchuria are much the same, Hirohito plans on marrying Puyi's Firstborn to another, seperate cadet branch of the Japanese Imperial Family and making them De Facto another Colony in much the same way.

That being said, I don't think I'm going to continue this, too many people have spoken out against it.
I'm not sure if that's true. Korea signed an annexation treaty in 1910, and that made it a colony instead of protectorate.
Shame you're going to stop the TL though. At least for someone like me who knows jack shit about weapons and machinery, it was a good read.
 
KnightofTempest you know best for yourself. I was enjoying the story, but if your heart is not in it, then best wishes with any new stories that you might wish to create.
 
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