Poland in the Axis

Poland might consider an Alliance of Convenience with Germany if the Soviet Union considers early on to make land demands from the three Baltic States in 1938 to protect Leningrad and BeloRussia and make military demonstrations among the Polish borders and rumble that the Soviets would might consider making some demands for buffer lands from Poland to likewise add some buffer lands to protect the Ukraines.......
 
No, because prior to the start of 1939, he didn’t. In fact, Hitler repeatedly praised both the Poles and their former leader, Marshal Pilsudski. In no less than five separate speeches to the Reichstag Hitler singled out Marshal Pilsudski as someone that the Germans could honourably negotiate with, and in those same speeches acknowledged the Polish right to access to the sea.

Of course Honest Adolf never told a lie.:rolleyes:

Frankly Germany wanted Polish Silsia, Danzig and all Soviet territories west of the Urals. Poland is sort of in the way & hated by most Germans especially the armed forces.

All that happens in a German-Polish Axis, is that there is no M-R Pact, the Red Army would be on high alert along the Molotov Line & Poland would have shackled itself to the losing power in any AH-WW2.
 
All that happens in a German-Polish Axis, is that there is no M-R Pact, the Red Army would be on high alert along the Molotov Line & Poland would have shackled itself to the losing power in any AH-WW2.
Unless the situation is manipulated further and the war fizzles out before it begins, which makes for some interesting AH possibilities.
 
People answered my first post in this thread.

The first one is actually semi-plausible.
Not terribly likely, as the OTL Polish government
1) was following Jozef Pilsudski political testament, i.e., no direct alliances with either Germany or Soviets (and these guys were some SERIOUS trusted lieutenants and followers of Pilsudski)
2) not likely to be ousted in any kind of military coup. Why, they were military. It wasn't called of governments of colonels without a reason.

However, if Germany forgets about Danzig/Corridors and USSR suddenly becomes aggresive... maybe it could happen.
Certainly it's not on level of usual HoI3 craziness.

BTW, the guy mentioned in the picture "Jan hr. Szembek" - is a foreign minister with fascist ideology of Poland in HoI, thought you can appoint him even as "Paternal Autocrat" IIRC.

The Soviets go to war for CZS over Munich; everybody fouls up (IOTL the Soviets threatened to cancel the Polish-Soviet non-aggression pact if Poland took any Czech territory, but it was an empty bluff; if there's war, perhaps in a fit of rage Stalin declares "Join or die!", and some officers at the frontier interpret their orders a bit liberally); the Red Army crosses the Polish frontier; Poland and Germany forced into a corner.

It gets round the problem that Prem Rack mentions of the Polish aversion to direct alliances with either power, and although it does leave the problem of why Stalin would suddenly lose his extreme cautiousness, it does that marginally less so than Stalin just invading Poland for laughs.

Actually, an alliance between Germany and Poland isn't that strange. Poland was also eyeing Czecho-Slovakia and Germany could have made a deal with them to partition the country....That would have taken long term vision from Hitler but it would have allowed him to coopt Poland into his cherished anti-Russian crusade. A few land concessions by Poland in exchange for future Russian spoils carved out of the Ukraine...

Let's not forget, Eastern Germany, Poland and Western Russia were all part of each others "country" at some point or other.

Having the Polish as enthusiastic allies would have greatly bolstered the Ostheer so it would have been a smart move. Any "subhuman" views could easily have been overcome, just as the SS eventually signed up anyone for the sake of expediency.....

Heck, I might as well postulate my own as well as the polish scenario pic.

The polish one is easier. Hitler in that reality tooled the NSDAP's ideology to be more anti-communist and anti-french than anti-slavic (His anti-semitism here is about the same). While still going with the idea of lebensraum (a westward one like the Franks once did), he decides to simply leave off the Danzig Corridor and Poznan off the realm of Germany. He does this seeing as the latter is a decent deal more Pole than German, while in this reality, far more Germans from the corridor moved to either East Prussia or Brandenburg during the 20's.

As a result, Hitler is fairly ambivalent towards polish subjection and would prefer a buffer against the Soviets. Timeline marches about the same to 1938, where he absorbs Austria and the Sudetenland diplomatically. This gives Stalin the idea of annexing the Baltic States (With a Lithuanian exception thanks to German posturing against such a thing). This antagonizes Poland against the soviets, and as a result they go to the German camp.
 
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