Poland gives Danzig(read pod)

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gurgu

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i know that this thread may have been discussed several times but i wanted to share some info first i have learned about recently.
In OTL Hitler did not want war with the UK. Apparently in some documents is specified how he proposed a peace treaty to England after the french capitulation with the following conditions/proposals:
  1. white peace with England
  2. France released except Alsace-Lorraine an the old colonies
  3. Czechoslovakia released except Sudetenland
  4. Poland released except Danzing-silesia
  5. Belgium and Netherlands fully released
Basically the treaty would reform the German nation pre ww1 + austria. Churchill refused because he wanted glory. Roosevelt supported him mainly because a war for Britain would have mean their economy once again ruined(and empire more near to collapse) and so the USA would not have any opposition. The lend lease was meant to take all the money from the British.
Last but not least Hitler was against the mass murdering of the Jews. Why kill you free work force? it's said that the 2 behind the order of killing the Jews were Himmler and Goebbels the most fanatic of the nazi movement( also all the letters of extermination were sent/received from them, not Hitler).It's not the first time an idea/movement/religion is taken tot he extreme from fanatics( Robespierre, the antisemitism from the Catholics, 'witches' burned,30 years war reason of begin),
watch/read plot of this(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)) to better understand.


Ended my preface and assuming that everything is correct( the Jews part is still discussed), what changes if Poland reaches and agreement with Hitler about Danzig? also they took Zaolzie already from Czechoslovakia when Hitler invaded.
 
Apparently in some documents is specified how he proposed a peace treaty to England after the french capitulation with the following conditions/proposals:
I have never heard about this and I find it rather unlikely that Hitler would give up the rest of Czechia and Posen/West-Prussia (which had been part of the German Empire), even if he would be willing to give up Belgium and the Netherlands (and I assume Noray and Denmark too, even if they aren't mentioned). So, what documents are you talking about?
 

gurgu

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I have never heard about this and I find it rather unlikely that Hitler would give up the rest of Czechia and Posen/West-Prussia (which had been part of the German Empire), even if he would be willing to give up Belgium and the Netherlands (and I assume Noray and Denmark too, even if they aren't mentioned). So, what documents are you talking about?
it was on a online newspaper i saw once while checking my google news portal. before you say it might be fake news and stuff i have a similar article(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html) but not the original i saw first.
 
So a single conviniently dead anonymous source who kept his mouth shut for decades and only then told the Truth to this single author. And he was the only person in "a group of academics" to ever talk about it?
 
So a single conviniently dead anonymous source who kept his mouth shut for decades and only then told the Truth to this single author. And he was the only person in "a group of academics" to ever talk about it?

Even the Telegraph story, dubious as it is, is totally different from the original POD (the timing is different--Hess' flight was long after the fall of France and while Hitler was preparing Barbarossa--and it says absolutely nothing about evacuating Poland or Czechoslovakia). The original POD is pure pro-Hitler fantasy. Hitler was willing to make peace with the British after the fall of France in 1940 but his terms were a free hand on the Continent in return for his "guaranteeing" the British Empire as a junior partner.
 

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i know that this thread may have been discussed several times but i wanted to share some info first i have learned about recently.
In OTL Hitler did not want war with the UK. Apparently in some documents is specified how he proposed a peace treaty to England after the french capitulation with the following conditions/proposals:
  1. white peace with England
  2. France released except Alsace-Lorraine an the old colonies
  3. Czechoslovakia released except Sudetenland
  4. Poland released except Danzing-silesia
  5. Belgium and Netherlands fully released
Basically the treaty would reform the German nation pre ww1 + austria. Churchill refused because he wanted glory. Roosevelt supported him mainly because a war for Britain would have mean their economy once again ruined(and empire more near to collapse) and so the USA would not have any opposition. The lend lease was meant to take all the money from the British.
Last but not least Hitler was against the mass murdering of the Jews. Why kill you free work force? it's said that the 2 behind the order of killing the Jews were Himmler and Goebbels the most fanatic of the nazi movement( also all the letters of extermination were sent/received from them, not Hitler).It's not the first time an idea/movement/religion is taken tot he extreme from fanatics( Robespierre, the antisemitism from the Catholics, 'witches' burned,30 years war reason of begin),
watch/read plot of this(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(2008_film)) to better understand.


Ended my preface and assuming that everything is correct( the Jews part is still discussed), what changes if Poland reaches and agreement with Hitler about Danzig? also they took Zaolzie already from Czechoslovakia when Hitler invaded.
Wow!

I can't remember the last time we had an Honest-to-God Hitler apologist creep into the Board.

I do appreciate how easy y'all make the Mod's job. No grey, no question. "Hitler wasn't to blame." I mean it's like Fiery Letters in the Sky.

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