Poland Defeats Germany (Its a timeline)

PGF, dude, you might need to be a little more specific in the POD that results in Poland defeating Nazi Germany or at least is able to avoid its OTL defeat; already the whole post sounds like some AAR from something like HOI or Making History.
I though it sounded more like a Turtledove story, to be honest.
 
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essentially Poland after the the failed Soviet Invasion in the 20s realizes it needs to get into shape
Which is roughly also what happened in our universe.

and rapidly Modernizes adapting a Military Junta
and forcing the Polish Nation into a growing Industrial Power
Poland had a military junta (Pilsudski) in OTL too. They were also, in fact, a growing industrial power in OTL too. It's just that their plans for large industrial expansion were cut short by WW2.

and by the 1939 it was a modernized nation
I mean, so far you haven't said anything new or massively divergent from OTL, so I see no reason to believe that this is the case.

and so when Germany Attacked the Poles were able to hold them off and the Germans were quickly losing lots of men
this causes the Soviet Union to rethink there Invasion of Poland in 1939 and decide to call it off and aid the Chinese Communist by Invading Manchuria
Ignoring the thing about Poland being able to hold off Germany, wouldn't you imagine that the USSR would want to attack their neighbour while they are distracted? As you state later, WW2 took a heavy toll on Poland, so it was a close match, and the USSR was, in many categories, even stronger than Germany, so they wouldn't have problems crushing Poland together.

Poland after 3 years of fighting was able with French and British assistance
were able to conquer Nazi Germany and the poles after losing 3 Million men and 5 Million civilians decided to annex Germany and formed the Polish-German Federation
And Poland would accept creating a federation where they would be inferior in population, industry and likely political influence because?..

now this war is not the last one as the French feeling Impowered right winged members begin growing in power talking about French Superiority
W-why tho?..

France won WW2... why would they be bitter all of a sudden...

And in 2 years they were able to take Iberia and launch a invasion into Greece
Why Iberia? Why Greece?

the Allies licking there wounds from fighting the Nazis let this happened
even letting France form its own Alliance known as the Imperial Alliance
I understand Poland not interfering with France, but the UK didn't even fight, really, they only sent assistance to the Poles who made the heavy lifting, so why are they letting Nazis 2: Baguette Boogaloo take place?

Also, Greece was firmly in Italy's backyard, if France stole Greece from them, there's no way they could become allies now.
 
Thanks for the feedback, I'm no trying to create a realistic scenario and I have the whole scenario written which you can find ADV essentially when I write alt history I go for a interesting rather then realistic stand point.
 
It kind of is (I am a youngster I love history and studying it but I like to go on the more insane side of alt history I enjoy making crazy scenarios (ASB) Scenarios.
 
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Which is roughly also what happened in our universe.
Answering multiple of your questions, they form the Federation to gain more political power in Europe also to revitalize Polish Nationalism and Strength as they are the kind of defacto rulers of the Federation, now France weren't bitter they thought they won two wars against Germany and had been one of the major nations for a long time they believe they are the Strongest in Europe and the Masters of it, but they aren't Nazis they aren't genocidal but aren't anti Communist and more lean to a Imperialist Monarchy. Now France made a deal with Italy that when they won the war Italy would get Austria parts of Germany, a large chunk of Yugoslavia a long with Hungary so they could keep Greece.

Poland had a military junta (Pilsudski) in OTL too. They were also, in fact, a growing industrial power in OTL too. It's just that their plans for large industrial expansion were cut short by WW2.


I mean, so far you haven't said anything new or massively divergent from OTL, so I see no reason to believe that this is the case.


Ignoring the thing about Poland being able to hold off Germany, wouldn't you imagine that the USSR would want to attack their neighbour while they are distracted? As you state later, WW2 took a heavy toll on Poland, so it was a close match, and the USSR was, in many categories, even stronger than Germany, so they wouldn't have problems crushing Poland together.


And Poland would accept creating a federation where they would be inferior in population, industry and likely political influence because?..


W-why tho?..

France won WW2... why would they be bitter all of a sudden...


Why Iberia? Why Greece?


I understand Poland not interfering with France, but the UK didn't even fight, really, they only sent assistance to the Poles who made the heavy lifting, so why are they letting Nazis 2: Baguette Boogaloo take place?

Also, Greece was firmly in Italy's backyard, if France stole Greece from them, there's no way they could become allies now.
 
they form the Federation to gain more political power in Europe also to revitalize Polish Nationalism and Strength as they are the kind of defacto rulers of the Federation,
If they already control Germany, making it into a federation won't increase their political power anywhere.

You know what nationalism is, right? Nationalism wants to build a nation-state. A nation-state is the literal opposite of a federation of multiple nations, especially not a federation where your country is inferior in population and is thus in danger of being assimilated.

That's why no serious Polish nationalist leaders wanted to restore the Commonwealth, even if it's a major source or pride for them, nor did they back the Intermarium project.

now France weren't bitter they thought they won two wars against Germany and had been one of the major nations for a long time they believe they are the Strongest in Europe and the Masters of it, but they aren't Nazis they aren't genocidal but aren't anti Communist and more lean to a Imperialist Monarchy.
Nobody ever really questions France being one of the major powers in Europe, so that point is moot tbh.

And besides, France did not have a large fascist/monarchist contingent during this period, and extreme nationalism would be discredited by the Nazis anyway.

Now France made a deal with Italy that when they won the war Italy would get Austria parts of Germany, a large chunk of Yugoslavia a long with Hungary so they could keep Greece.
You know what would be nice? Stating the reasons for allying someone in the actual TL rather than withholding them until someone asks. ;)

In my opinion, Greece is a lot more strategically and patriotically important to Italy than Hungary, Yugoslavia or Austria, and since the French would have a very tough time defending it in an invasion, I see no reason why Italy wouldn't want to just take it from the French and give them the middle finger. France is still tired from WW2, after all, while Italy didn't fight.
 
If they already control Germany, making it into a federation won't increase their political power anywhere.

You know what nationalism is, right? Nationalism wants to build a nation-state. A nation-state is the literal opposite of a federation of multiple nations, especially not a federation where your country is inferior in population and is thus in danger of being assimilated.

That's why no serious Polish nationalist leaders wanted to restore the Commonwealth, even if it's a major source or pride for them, nor did they back the Intermarium project.


Nobody ever really questions France being one of the major powers in Europe, so that point is moot tbh.

And besides, France did not have a large fascist/monarchist contingent during this period, and extreme nationalism would be discredited by the Nazis anyway.


You know what would be nice? Stating the reasons for allying someone in the actual TL rather than withholding them until someone asks. ;)

In my opinion, Greece is a lot more strategically and patriotically important to Italy than Hungary, Yugoslavia or Austria, and since the French would have a very tough time defending it in an invasion, I see no reason why Italy wouldn't want to just take it from the French and give them the middle finger. France is still tired from WW2, after all, while Italy didn't fight.
(I mean this was from a discord conversation so ya and I consider this the rough draf5 I will get writing a more refined version later as most of this came from the top of my head XD)
 
If they already control Germany, making it into a federation won't increase their political power anywhere.

You know what nationalism is, right? Nationalism wants to build a nation-state. A nation-state is the literal opposite of a federation of multiple nations, especially not a federation where your country is inferior in population and is thus in danger of being assimilated.

That's why no serious Polish nationalist leaders wanted to restore the Commonwealth, even if it's a major source or pride for them, nor did they back the Intermarium project.


Nobody ever really questions France being one of the major powers in Europe, so that point is moot tbh.

And besides, France did not have a large fascist/monarchist contingent during this period, and extreme nationalism would be discredited by the Nazis anyway.


You know what would be nice? Stating the reasons for allying someone in the actual TL rather than withholding them until someone asks. ;)

In my opinion, Greece is a lot more strategically and patriotically important to Italy than Hungary, Yugoslavia or Austria, and since the French would have a very tough time defending it in an invasion, I see no reason why Italy wouldn't want to just take it from the French and give them the middle finger. France is still tired from WW2, after all, while Italy didn't fight.
(I also came up with that Polish Explanation right when you asked it so I should actually out some more thought into so thanks for the feedback)
 
(I also came up with that Polish Explanation right when you asked it so I should actually out some more thought into so thanks for the feedback)
No problem comrade, that's what I was trying to help with.

Instead of screaming ASB or berating you for doing something unrealistic, like some people do, I tried to play the game :p
 
No problem comrade, that's what I was trying to help with.

Instead of screaming ASB or berating you for doing something unrealistic, like some people do, I tried to play the game :p
Do you like it even if it is ASB I did post full timeline (Its in a discord sort of text) on the ASB forum called Glory to Europa.
 
(Well it does come from a Discord conversation with 95% coming up as i go a long so i perfectly understand XD anyways what should i elaborate more on to inprove it)
Everything. I think you should do more research for one. If you want to improve this TL, you should read more about Interwar Poland, it's history, politics and situation. Researching OTL history is the biggest chunk of writing a good timeline - you'd be surprised at how much I had to read on Medieval Lithuania while writing the Silver Knight, and I consider myself to be adept in the period.

Although, to be fair, if your wish is to have Poland conquer Germany, then no amount of reading in this world will save you from implausibility :p
 
Ya I got that when I proposed the timeline to some people because I kind of like the idea of a Polish German Federation and I like the name as I think its cool (I am a 20th and 21st century history buff but I have not done that much research on interwar Poland or really any on Poland In general except a few things) Any other suggestions though?
 
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