Poland AH

Molobo

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Poland, as Hungary, was in the Middle Ages vasall to the crown of the "Roman Empire", which happened to also be the corwn of the German kingdom, too, with indeed Germany as strogest and dominating part in that "Empire".
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Your mistakes:
Holy Roman Empire wasn't Germany, nor was it even a state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire
The Holy Roman Empire was an institution which is unique in world history and therefore difficult to grasp. To understand what it was, it might be helpful to assess first what it was not.

* It was never a nation state. Despite the German ethnicity of most of its rulers and subjects, from the very beginning many ethnicities constituted the Holy Roman Empire. Many of its most important noble families and appointed officials came from outside the German-speaking communities. At the height of the empire it contained most of the territory of today's Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Czech Republic, Slovenia, as well as eastern France, northern Italy and western Poland. Its languages thus comprised not only German and its many dialects and derivatives, but many Slavic languages, and the languages which became modern French and Italian as well. Furthermore, its division into territories ruled by numerous secular and ecclesiastical princes, prelates, counts, imperial knights, and free cities made it, in the early modern period at least, far less cohesive than the emerging modern states around it.
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Secondly your claim that Poland was a vassal of the Germany an exaggeration, since HRE wasn't a state nor was it Germany.Of course the relationship with HRE wasn't a vasallage either, and even the louse bounds were only a pretense for Poles.


You began to measure victroy at Territory, and in that regards Poland LOST in WW2.
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Did I ? I am afraid you are imagining things :)

I CAN see Poland as the meager dwarf running around the real important countries, heh
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Oh please, I am not in preschool to start "who's bigger" contest.Each nation has its own place in history. And I don't consider Polish one that bad at all/Noble's Democracy, Pope, Fall of Communism, Commowealth being european power etc/. And if we are the dwarf, who is the one with the bloodied nose who tries to subdue the dwarf and always fails ;)
Anyway Susano cheer up and loosen up, and shake that grumpy image.It could have been worse for Germans- be glad Morgenthau plan wasn't implemented.
And please-in future post in Chat if you don't know something about Polish history.
 

Molobo

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Susano said:
The (H)RE(GN) not a state. Now thats precious.... pff.
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A historic fact.It was a gathering of states, not a state in itself.
As to being "vassal" for a third part of its history, it ended in 1000 AD/even sooner if you count that Mieszko rebelled/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeting_at_the_tomb_of_Saint_Adalbert
The Meeting at the tomb of Saint Adalbert is one of the most important events in Polish history, though scholars disagree over the details of the decisions made at the meeting, especially whether the Polish prince was pledged the king's crown or not.

(See life of Adalbert of Prague).

After his death, Adalbert was soon made a saint by the common effort of Boleslaus I and Otto III, becoming the first saint of Slavic origins. His body, bought by Boleslaus I for its weight in gold, was put into the tomb in Gniezno, contemporary capital of Poland.

Otto III committed to a pilgrimage to Poland in his attempt to extend the influence of Christianity in eastern Europe. As part of this policy, he also invested Saint-King Stephen the Great of Hungary with the king's crown.

While on a pilgrimage to the tomb of Saint Adalbert at Gniezno in 1000 A.D., Otto III, Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, invested Boleslaus I of Poland with the title Frater et Cooperator Imperii ("Brother and Partner of the Empire").

On the same visit Otto III raised Gniezno to the rank of an archbishopric. Poland became separate from the bishopric of Magdeburg province of the church, which helped her to keep semi-independence from the Holy Roman Empire through the Middle Ages. Eventually, Poland stayed outside the Holy Roman Empire, while e.g. Bohemia become one of its countries.

The event is described by German chronicle writer Thietmar and Polish (by allegiance, not ethnicity) Gall Anonymous.
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Name: Commonwealth of Nations (Rzeczposoplita Narodów or simply Rezczpospolita)
Head of state: HRM King James II the Poniatak – Wettin (JKM Jakób II Poniatowski – Wettin) King of Poland, Grand Prince of Lithuania, Prince of Galicia, Grand Poland, Lesser Poland, Silesia, Pomeria, Prussia, Livonia etc.
State tape: Constitutional Federal Monarchy from 3rd may 1793 (former dual/triple state monarchy)
Head of government: Prime minister/Crown Chancellor (titular only)
Capitol: Warsaw – constitutional, Krakow – historical (and place of enthronization)
Population: 89,256,000
The biggest cities: Warsaw - 15 M, Krakow - 6,15 M, Lemberg (Lwów) – 5,5 M, Vilnus (Wilno) – 3,21 M, Wrocław - 2,37 M, Gdańsk – 981 K with Gdynia and Sopot (triple town) – 2,16 M

Name: Kingdom of Czech, Slovakia and Moravia (Česko – Slovensko – Moravsko Monarchie)
Head of state: HRM Queen Anna I Luxemburg (Anna I Luxemburgova) Queen of Bohemia, Slovakia, Moravia, Upper Hungary etc.
State tape: Constitutional Federal Monarchy from 1st January 1919
Head of government: Prime minister
Capitol: Prague (Praha)
Population: 18,319,150
The biggest cities: Prague - 9 M, Brno – 5,1 M, Bratislava 976 K

Name: Kingdom of Hungary
Head of state: HRM King Lajos VII Habsburg, King of Hungary, Karpatia, Erdél (Siebenburg) etc.
State tape: Constitutional Federal Monarchy from 1st January 1919
Head of government: Prime minister
Capitol: Budapest
Population: 23,931,500
The biggest cities: Budapest - 10 M, Debreczen - 6,25 M, Miskolc - 3,34, Eger - 3,1 M

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