Pol Pot like terror in Europe

So your challenge is to have something like the Cambodian genocide and the ideology that proceeded it emerge in Europe and have the same graphic aweful consequences as Cambodia.

Is there any sort of peasant or any intellectual movement that could cease power in Europe and implement a program like Pol Pot's agricultural utopia(thank god it ended) arise in Europe?

What would the consequences be of a Cambodian esque depopulation in Europe?

Could it happen? If so why? If not why not?

By Pol Pot terror and ideology I mean anti intellectual, idolized notion of peasant life and slaughter of urbanites, intellectuals, and troublesome minorities?

Is such a disaster possible in Europe? Post 1900 I mean?
 

CaliGuy

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Is there any sort of peasant or any intellectual movement that could cease power in Europe and implement a program like Pol Pot's agricultural utopia(thank god it ended) arise in Europe?
Generalplan Ost in the event of a Nazi German victory in World War II. :(
 
Wait, didn't this already happen in the USSR?

I think if the French Commune somehow manages to capitulate the Republic and takes over the country they could try something like this in a worst-case scenario.

Probably everybody will hate France's guts, and also cower beneath their shadow.

Oh, post-1900? And I already rewrote my post! :frown:
 
Possibly a more agarian version of Stalinism could potentially work.

IMO, the concept of "agrarian Stalinism" would be a huge contradiction. Stalinism wasn't just not-agrarian, it was the exact opposite of "agrarian". Screwing over the countryside to help out the cities and their industrialization. Stalin's terror was not just more moderate than Pol Pot's, but conceptually the complete opposite of it.

Generally, I don't believe there's space for this in post-1900 Europe. Generalplan Ost would have some similarities, but still not the same thing.
 

CaliGuy

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Well that wasn't what I was going for.
If so, you could try finding some extreme nut who can outmaneuver Stalin in the struggle for power and then take over the entire Soviet Union and implement a Pol Pot-style program there. Interestingly enough, I think that Lenin had some elements of such craziness (unlike Stalin, he was willing to use chemical weapons on his own people--in the 1921 Tambov Rebellion); however, I doubt that Lenin would have been anywhere near as brutal as Pol Pot was.
 
Generalplan Ost in the event of a Nazi German victory in World War II. :(
Generalplan Ost, with Germany forcing citizens to move to the conquered territories to hold them against rebels is the best bet of this.

Would lead to Pol Pot like terror from Alsace-Lorrain to the Urals.
 

CaliGuy

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Generalplan Ost, with Germany forcing citizens to move to the conquered territories to hold them against rebels is the best bet of this.

Would lead to Pol Pot like terror from Alsace-Lorrain to the Urals.
TBH, I doubt that a rebellion would be able to last for too long in the occupied East; after all, the Nazis will simply either kill or deport any rebel and rebel supporters and sympathizers beyond the Urals. :(
 
TBH, I doubt that a rebellion would be able to last for too long in the occupied East; after all, the Nazis will simply either kill or deport any rebel and rebel supporters and sympathizers beyond the Urals. :(
It would depend on how their being supplied, due to the sheer size of Russia however there would be plenty of routes weapons could be shipped in to assist any prospective rebellion.
 
TBH, I doubt that a rebellion would be able to last for too long in the occupied East; after all, the Nazis will simply either kill or deport any rebel and rebel supporters and sympathizers beyond the Urals. :(

Them should deal with millions of people. Not so easy thing. And rump Soviet Union. USA and United Kingdom would give support for rebels. There would be decades lasting guerilla war. And rebels know their home territories unlike Germans.
 

CalBear

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It was called the Soviet Union. See: Holodomor.

Based on various estimates up to a quarter of everyone in Ukraine died do to intentional famine in 1932-33
 
I would say Albania is pretty much the only place we could see it. Yugoslavia was too sane, USSR would stop this kind of insanity in rest of the East Block, which leave Albania which was pretty much the only small state with enough autonomy to not be invaded the moment, they did this kind of insane thing. It would likely pretty much have the same result as in Cambodia with their communist neighbour invading and stopping their internal genocide.

As for Ukraine it was a famine enforced by outside force. If it's used as example, we already have a better example 19th century Ireland.
 
It was called the Soviet Union. See: Holodomor.

Based on various estimates up to a quarter of everyone in Ukraine died do to intentional famine in 1932-33

Holodomor was pretty different case as Cambodian genocide. Stalin's intention was enforced industrialisation of farming and decreasing of Ukrainian power in Soviet Union. Pol Pot's meaning was make the country backward agrarian nation where wasn't any western influence. By that logic you could have took Holocaust as for example. And Pol Pot's target was his own ethnicity when Stalin acted against minority ethnicity of his country.
 
Possibly Enver Hoxha being even more oppressive? Or Ceausescu surviving 1989? I was thinking about somewhere in the Balkans getting a tinpot dictator in the 90s, but that will probably end very quickly (Though it's not like Pol Pot lasted very long in Cambodia).
 

BigBlueBox

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Ceausecu gets a head injury, and starts launching massacres right before the fall of the Iron Curtain. The USSR and other countries neighboring Romania will be in too much upheaval to do anything about it, but still threatening enough that NATO doesn't want to intervene within their sphere of influence.
 
It was called the Soviet Union. See: Holodomor.

Based on various estimates up to a quarter of everyone in Ukraine died do to intentional famine in 1932-33

I disagree; as noted above, the goals of the Holodomor were to "liquidate the Kulaks" (read:anyone who opposed Stalin), destroy Ukrainian nationalism and to provide food for the rapid industrialisation programs of the USSR. The goals of Year Zero were to completely purge Cambodia of foreign influence, leaving a countryside of "racially pure" Khmers. If anything, the closest counterpart would be a Generalplan Ost as echoed above and the Nazi policies of "blood and soil".
 
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