PODs for a 1960s Cuba

I just joined after lurking for a little bit, and i quite like this place. I am playing as Cuba in an alternate history group and i'd like some help involving PODs for 1960s Cuba with Castro in charge.
 
A mitigated success for the Bay of Pigs? Castro stays in power but has to make some concessions, maybe.
That sounds interesting. What if Cuba was a part of the negotiations in the missile crisis? I planned on doing this and in the negotiations i'd ask for Gitmo in exchange for Paramerica to oversee the removal of the nukes.

(America has an alternate name in this, because the username for America was taken, Para comes from paramount.)
 
A mitigated success for the Bay of Pigs? Castro stays in power but has to make some concessions, maybe.

Castro could easily stay in power: I'd be amazed if he diden't, but instead of taking a hard turn left/going Soviet-style purging of his political opponenets, perhaps a level of democratization ("Calling the Yankee Imperialists on their bluff"/holding them to their principals). Keep some political parties seperated, included socially liberal opposition in a national parliament/congress, continue to accept aid from the Americans in a balanced amount with the Soviets to convince Washington he's not actually a Communist. Conduct slightly less radical reform to land/bussiness ownership and management to trade long-term socialist utopianism with better short-term economic results, ect. The exact details of Cuban economic policy and state structure are far more varied in terms of options: in terms of the Cuban Missle Crisis not only are the options shorter-term, but are likely to be limited by Soviet leverage and interest in control over the results
 
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I just joined after lurking for a little bit, and i quite like this place. I am playing as Cuba in an alternate history group and i'd like some help involving PODs for 1960s Cuba with Castro in charge.

I was thinking of Castro taking China's side in the Sino-Soviet split. But on second thought this is probably unrealistic. Even if Castro were inclined to sympathize sentimentally with Mao's ultra-revolutionary line:

"Discussions during the Soviet visit were to have an important impact on the Revolution's economic policies. Cuba would now abandon Guevara's visionary projects of economic diversification, and — with Soviet assistance —would concentrate on sugar production. The Cuban government, noted one Soviet columnist approvingly, had refused to take 'the adventurist path of autarky', a crack against the Chinese, but also an attack on the alternative policies favoured by Guevara. On the Sino-Soviet dispute, Castro had already made a choice defined by economic necessity. China sent Cuba rice, circuses and condoms, while the Soviet Union sent the wherewithal for the construction of entire factories, as well as farm machinery and weapons — and, of course, the Russians bought large quantities of sugar." https://books.google.com/books?id=aVq0qOnLFusC&pg=PA210
 
WI Castro doesn't go communist at all?

I think the 1960's are too late a POD for that. Admittedly, Castro was inconsistent and not always credible about just when he had become a "Marxist-Leninist" but certainly by late 1959 the Revolution was clearly moving in a pro-Communist direction, with anti-Communists like Huber Matos being purged from the 26th of July Movement and Castro intervening in the trade union congress of November 1959 to assure the victory of pro-Communists. https://books.google.com/books?id=9zmYNo-AascC&pg=PA14

I know that a great many people in Cuba and elsewhere believed in 1959 that "Raul and Che may be Communists but not Fidel." But of course it was to Fidel's advantage that they so believe, since he was not yet ready for a final confrontation with either the Cuban bourgeoisie or the US. And the perception allowed Fidel to say to those who threatened him, "By killing me, they will only strengthen the revolution. . . . Behind me are others more radical than I." https://books.google.com/books?id=DmCrViAE2AsC&pg=PA225
 
Another POD: No Cuban Adjustment Act In the US. Cuban refugees are simply arrested, returned to Cuba ou force to flee to other countries
 

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One idea I've always wanted to see is for it to go a Yugoslavia type direction, where it is Communist but mostly neutral and the USSR sees it as too Western.
 
I was thinking of Castro taking China's side in the Sino-Soviet split. But on second thought this is probably unrealistic. Even if Castro were inclined to sympathize sentimentally with Mao's ultra-revolutionary line:

"Discussions during the Soviet visit were to have an important impact on the Revolution's economic policies. Cuba would now abandon Guevara's visionary projects of economic diversification, and — with Soviet assistance —would concentrate on sugar production. The Cuban government, noted one Soviet columnist approvingly, had refused to take 'the adventurist path of autarky', a crack against the Chinese, but also an attack on the alternative policies favoured by Guevara. On the Sino-Soviet dispute, Castro had already made a choice defined by economic necessity. China sent Cuba rice, circuses and condoms, while the Soviet Union sent the wherewithal for the construction of entire factories, as well as farm machinery and weapons — and, of course, the Russians bought large quantities of sugar." https://books.google.com/books?id=aVq0qOnLFusC&pg=PA210
I can't side with China in the sino-soviet split, because it didn't happen, instead of khrushchev in charge, its Malenkov, and because of that, the USSR hasn't destalinized.
 
I can't side with China in the sino-soviet split, because it didn't happen, instead of khrushchev in charge, its Malenkov, and because of that, the USSR hasn't destalinized.
There are many things already different with the timeline, i only play as Cuba, and its only for fun.
 
how could they successfully assassinate Castro? Any ideas?

There are dozens of ways Fidel Castro could be killed from the 1940's on. I list some of them (pre-1959) in my "Killing Fidel Castro" series:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/bJMH5QjS4aQ/AgvrPAnY1sMJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/PafV1ISi-HU/Bsf15ltZiYEJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/-AqvM6-midE/CjV8BVhDmGIJ

As I note in that last post, "There is one other possibility I have not mentioned: US ambassador to Cuba Arthur Gardner told Hugh Thomas that "he had suggested to Batista that the FBI or CIA should send a man up to the Sierra to kill Castro; Batista answered, 'No, no, we couldn't do that: we're Cubans.'" (Hugh Thomas, *Cuba or the Pursuit of Freedom*, p. 947) But given the CIA's track record on attempted killings of Castro (and on a few other matters), even had Batista accepted Gardner's suggestion, I doubt that Castro would have been in much additional jeopardy... "
 
There are dozens of ways Fidel Castro could be killed from the 1940's on. I list some of them (pre-1959) in my "Killing Fidel Castro" series:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/bJMH5QjS4aQ/AgvrPAnY1sMJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/PafV1ISi-HU/Bsf15ltZiYEJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/-AqvM6-midE/CjV8BVhDmGIJ

As I note in that last post, "There is one other possibility I have not mentioned: US ambassador to Cuba Arthur Gardner told Hugh Thomas that "he had suggested to Batista that the FBI or CIA should send a man up to the Sierra to kill Castro; Batista answered, 'No, no, we couldn't do that: we're Cubans.'" (Hugh Thomas, *Cuba or the Pursuit of Freedom*, p. 947) But given the CIA's track record on attempted killings of Castro (and on a few other matters), even had Batista accepted Gardner's suggestion, I doubt that Castro would have been in much additional jeopardy... "
Oh i've seen your post/thing about killing Castro! hello! What would some good post 1960 assassinations be?
 
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