POD(s) Help: The US be colour-blind in terms of race

I need help on a POD or a multiple of PODs in which the US completely or nearly does not care about the colour of people's skin by 1950 just like Brazil today. I only have an idea where it pretty much Brazilify (in terms of societal acceptance) the US with more diversity and less conflict amongst races by miscegenation bans being lifted earlier and promoting interracial marriages. That way, the majority of the population of the US are coloured/mestizo/multi-racial. Please help.

Cheers,
Divg.
 
...Honestly, this is probably going to be ASB

And if you think that Brazil today is completely race-blind, I wouldn't be so sure about that (e.g. this article)

I was hoping to use some ideas from the TL "Dominion of Southern America". The US attaining colonies north of the South Carolina-North Carolina border. 13 colonies are attained and becomes independence from Québec to North Carolina. I chose 13 since I could just use the OTL 13 stars flag. The US ends slavery earlier at the 1790s and forms sympathies with escaping slaves from the British Dominion of New Albion (pretty much British Dominion of Southern America sans North Carolina as it stayed with the US). The mixture of French and English allows more tolerance? :confused: Along with more Asian/African/and European immigrants diversifying the US image into a salad bowl of different cultures and backgrounds in the 19th century? :confused:

Is all of these possible?
 
Brazil, like the rest of Latin America, still has its own problems with racism. But you can significantly reduce racism in the US by 1950:

-Some kind of social PoD before the Revolution (like Georgia abolishing slavery in the 1730s as planned). Of course, this might butterfly away the US.
-No war of 1812. The War of 1812 helped solidify racism in the US, and put an end to the mixed marriages in the Old Northwest.
-An earlier end to slavery. Virginia was considering gradual manumission in 1832. Get that to go through, and slavery as a whole might die sooner, which could help reduce racism in the long run.
-A better Reconstruction (YMMV on what that entails)
-A communist revolution in the US
-No Wilson to reinforce and strengthen segregation
 
Brazil, like the rest of Latin America, still has its own problems with racism. But you can significantly reduce racism in the US by 1950:

-Some kind of social PoD before the Revolution (like Georgia abolishing slavery in the 1730s as planned). Of course, this might butterfly away the US.
-No war of 1812. The War of 1812 helped solidify racism in the US, and put an end to the mixed marriages in the Old Northwest.
-An earlier end to slavery. Virginia was considering gradual manumission in 1832. Get that to go through, and slavery as a whole might die sooner, which could help reduce racism in the long run.
-A better Reconstruction (YMMV on what that entails)
-A communist revolution in the US
-No Wilson to reinforce and strengthen segregation

Good suggestions, but this mostly covers anti-black racism. Which is the largest type IOTL, of course, but doesn't include things like anti-Hispanic or anti-Asian racism (which was quite horrible for a whiles. As poorly as African-Americans were treated once, I don't think anyone prominent ever suggested their genocide, as Jack London once did for China.) Not quite sure of any obvious ways to change that by only changing the US though.
 
I need help on a POD or a multiple of PODs in which the US completely or nearly does not care about the colour of people's skin by 1950 just like Brazil today. I only have an idea where it pretty much Brazilify (in terms of societal acceptance) the US with more diversity and less conflict amongst races by miscegenation bans being lifted earlier and promoting interracial marriages. That way, the majority of the population of the US are coloured/mestizo/multi-racial. Please help.

Cheers,
Divg.

Let the south secede and you might have a chance (not that the North was not racist however).
 
I need help on a POD or a multiple of PODs in which the US completely or nearly does not care about the colour of people's skin by 1950 just like Brazil today. I only have an idea where it pretty much Brazilify (in terms of societal acceptance) the US with more diversity and less conflict amongst races by miscegenation bans being lifted earlier and promoting interracial marriages. That way, the majority of the population of the US are coloured/mestizo/multi-racial. Please help.

Cheers,
Divg.

I wouldn't call Brazil "color-blind". This is an anecdote, but hopefully it's a useful one about racial relations in Brazil. My local high school once had a Brazilian exchange student who was surprised at how well blacks were treated in the U.S. as opposed to Brazil.
 
I wouldn't call Brazil "color-blind". This is an anecdote, but hopefully it's a useful one about racial relations in Brazil. My local high school once had a Brazilian exchange student who was surprised at how well blacks were treated in the U.S. as opposed to Brazil.

I think part of it is how one defines somebody as "black" in Brazil. What one might consider to be African-American in the USA would probably often be looked at as just "brown" or "mixed" in Brazil.

As for the OP, I agree that while attitudes towards African-Americans can be definitely improved (to differing degrees, even), Western society on the whole was rather racist going all the way back to the Late Renaissance era, and arguably even before then. As an extension thereof, America is bound to be a relatively prejudiced place by current OTL standards. I would submit therefore that one needs to be more selective in defining the idea of "colour-blind".
 
I need help on a POD or a multiple of PODs in which the US completely or nearly does not care about the colour of people's skin by 1950 just like Brazil today. I only have an idea where it pretty much Brazilify (in terms of societal acceptance) the US with more diversity and less conflict amongst races by miscegenation bans being lifted earlier and promoting interracial marriages. That way, the majority of the population of the US are coloured/mestizo/multi-racial. Please help.

Cheers,
Divg.

You may be able to achieve that first part of your scenario by 1970-75 or so with the right PODs(large-scale racism mostly or virtually completely eliminated). The majority of the population being mixed-race, though? That would take much, much longer.....2050 at the earliest, and that's probably a lowball estimate on my part, TBH.
 
Can you elaborate this? How does the War of 1812 ended mixed marriages in the US? I'm curious. :confused:

By "mixed marriages", I was talking about marriages between whites and natives, not necessarily whites and blacks.

IIRC, the War of 1812 removed any possibility of Americans viewing Native Americans as equals, mainly because they sided with the British. It was also the first time that American military forces were segregated. In "Lies My Teacher Told Me", John Loewens writes that racially integrated societies and mixed marriages were common in the Old Northwest prior to the War of 1812 (mainly between Whites and Natives).

To deal with anti-Asian racism and increase the percentage of mixed-race Americans:
-Increase Chinese immigration (no Chinese Exclusion Act). Hopefully, they'll integrate the way the Irish and Italian did.
-Keep the Philippines as part of the US (although this is really difficult)
-No war with Japan couldn't hurt either.

As for anti-Hispanic racism, I think the key problem here is Catholicism, which many early 19th-century Americans tolerated about as much as paganism. If Americans can accept Catholicism, then they're much more likely to view the white latinos as equals. Maybe Quebec joining the union? (But good luck getting that to happen)

Edit: Reading back over my response, it seems like there is no problem that can't be solved by increasing the population and territory of the United States. :D
 
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-A communist revolution in the US

This wouldn't matter. There was plenty of racism in the USSR which still remains in Russia. China has racist tendencies while North Korea just made racist remarks about the president. I don't know why you would think a Communist revolution would change it as it hasn't in the past.
 
And the larger point here is that racism isn't a problem specific to the United States, or Western culture, or any other division of humanity - it's an issue everywhere. Human beings tend to identify with those they resemble most, and often distrust those they resemble less, even if the difference is superficial, like pigmentation.

True enough.
 
Technically, Brazil's problem is more colour discrimination than race discrimination, as genetic studies have shown that some 'whites' in Brazil have more African ancestry than some 'Blacks'.

The French tended to do better in some ways than the English. If you spoke French, were Roman Catholic, and had French culture, you could be considered French (by many), especially if you were part white. (Think Alexandre Dumas - most people today just think of him as being a French author, not as being mixed blood). Which is largely how the genetic mixing in Brazil happened, afaik (obviously with Portuguese rather than French).

How you could transplant that attitude to Anglo settlers in the US, I'm sure I don't know.

Maybe, just maybe, if the eastern seaboard of North America had been all French ruled, you might get a more colour blind result. But then it would hardly be the US.
 
Technically, Brazil's problem is more colour discrimination than race discrimination, as genetic studies have shown that some 'whites' in Brazil have more African ancestry than some 'Blacks'.

The French tended to do better in some ways than the English. If you spoke French, were Roman Catholic, and had French culture, you could be considered French (by many), especially if you were part white. (Think Alexandre Dumas - most people today just think of him as being a French author, not as being mixed blood). Which is largely how the genetic mixing in Brazil happened, afaik (obviously with Portuguese rather than French).

How you could transplant that attitude to Anglo settlers in the US, I'm sure I don't know.

Maybe, just maybe, if the eastern seaboard of North America had been all French ruled, you might get a more colour blind result. But then it would hardly be the US.
Race is pretty much a social construct anyway; someone 250 years ago would have likely denied that the French and the Germans were the same "race" (much less the Irish). Even the 19th century saw plenty of essays about "Teutonic" or "Anglo-Saxon" ancestry versus "Gauls" or "Latins." There's plenty of racial mixing in the US as well (most "blacks" in the US have significant European ancestry for reasons that I will leave to your imagination, whites with hidden black ancestry are surprisingly common, and of course "Hispanic" covers a wide range of backgrounds).

But the French absolutely have issues with racism as well, arguably worse than the US (the Code Noir predates the various US slave codes, for example). Racism and bigotry are more or less constant everywhere. Ironically, possibly the "easiest" way would be to focus that bigotry on a different axis (e.g. "we may be black or white, but at least we ain't filthy Unitarians/Catholics/FSMs").
 
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