POD help

I'll start from the beginning...
The TL I'm writing involves a Canada beign captured and then annexed by the USA during the ARW. To keep it an secret how, Canada rebels and with the help of Britain & France and declares it's independence.
Plausible? I don't think the France bit is, but I think Britain needs more then one ally.
Constructive criticism would be nice.:)
 
I think the British would be more interested in extending their influence and gaining a monopoly on trade with Canada, and maybe even turn it into a protectorate. If they can take it back, they just might. I don't see what the French have to gain by helping the British against the Americans. I'm not sure if Canada would automatically rebel, and the rebellion would be time dependant. Any immigration to the Canadian states/territories would be by Americans and immigrants who want to be Americans, so the original loyalist population should get swamped after a couple of generations. That's just my take on it, however.
 
I think you'd probably need to get some action going on in the south (war with Mexico, maybe? Or a seceding South?) in order for a rebellious *Canada to succeed. If it has the full attention of Washington, there is probably little the British/French can do to help the *Canadians. They'd get swamped with too much Yankee cannon fodder.

But if a significant portion of the US military was engaged in heavy fighting to its south, then it might work. There wouldn't be too much strength in the north, so the rebels could overwhelm the small garrisons in Montreal or wherever and the RN could push through the weak US Navy and supply the rebels with troops and what have you...

But that is just the ramblings of a teenager lacking extensive knowledge on the subject.

The Kiat said:
Any immigration to the Canadian states/territories would be by Americans and immigrants who want to be Americans, so the original loyalist population should get swamped after a couple of generations. That's just my take on it, however.
I dunno. It could take a while for Americans to outnumber Canadiens in the Quebec, especially with better land to settle further south.
 
I'll start from the beginning...
The TL I'm writing involves a Canada beign captured and then annexed by the USA during the ARW. To keep it an secret how, Canada rebels and with the help of Britain & France and declares it's independence.
Plausible? I don't think the France bit is, but I think Britain needs more then one ally.
Constructive criticism would be nice.:)

Could we get a date for the Canadian independence? It affects Britain's response and capacity to fight quite dramatically.

Also, when you say "Canada", what do you mean? Did the USA take the Hudson's Bay Company? Quebec? The Canadian east coast? The inland English parts of Canada? And how much of that rebels away from the USA?
 
Could we get a date for the Canadian independence? It affects Britain's response and capacity to fight quite dramatically.

Also, when you say "Canada", what do you mean? Did the USA take the Hudson's Bay Company? Quebec? The Canadian east coast? The inland English parts of Canada? And how much of that rebels away from the USA?

Good questions. Also, what happens to the large numbers of loyalists in the 13 states, numbers of whom moved north in OTL. Here they have no-where to go which could mean they get absorbed or become more prominent as a distrusted and abused minority simply because they are still present.

It not too difficult to see Britain being capable of beating up America in the 1st 70 years of so after the revolution, presuming no other major changes in balance of power and some bases to operate from. What is more difficult is why they would necessarily and whether after having lost the lands they would see great advantage in getting them back unless there was a clear loyalist element there. The longer after a so successful revolution the less likely that group is to have a continued strong identity unless it is continually discriminated against.

Steve
 
Could we get a date for the Canadian independence? It affects Britain's response and capacity to fight quite dramatically.

Also, when you say "Canada", what do you mean? Did the USA take the Hudson's Bay Company? Quebec? The Canadian east coast? The inland English parts of Canada? And how much of that rebels away from the USA?
Everything but the Maritimes and Rupert's land... I was thinking mid 1820's to late 1820's

Good questions. Also, what happens to the large numbers of loyalists in the 13 states, numbers of whom moved north in OTL. Here they have no-where to go which could mean they get absorbed or become more prominent as a distrusted and abused minority simply because they are still present.

It not too difficult to see Britain being capable of beating up America in the 1st 70 years of so after the revolution, presuming no other major changes in balance of power and some bases to operate from. What is more difficult is why they would necessarily and whether after having lost the lands they would see great advantage in getting them back unless there was a clear loyalist element there. The longer after a so successful revolution the less likely that group is to have a continued strong identity unless it is continually discriminated against.

Steve
Actualy I thought that the loyalists would largely be responsible for Canada's independence, because of the abuse they are treated by Americans many move to Canada as they feel it's still less American. 1810 the USA declares that what is Ontario (OTL) an territory , but Quebec remains occupied because American cultural assimilation is not going according to plan.
 
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