Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

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Does Suzanne Collins still write The Underland Chronicles ITTL, and if so, does she incorporate Syrielle into them, or even just a Syrielle expy?

Perhaps. Gregor meeting Syrielle could be intriguing to see, though she'd have to make time inbetween her work on Syrielle to write these books....
 
Oh, god, you're gonna make the 1997 tornado outbreak in Texas worse, right?

Uhmmm....er, well....you see, er....um...

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Oh, god, you're gonna make the 1997 tornado outbreak in Texas worse, right?
The F3 Cedar Park one? That's the only one that is close to the length number RySenkari put out (9.2 miles). So if it's that one, it can cause major destruction.

I have a really bad feeling the Jarrell F5 one is going to hit Interstate 35. NOAA OTL said that if the Tornado deviated from its south-southwest direction and headed southeast, 5 miles of traffic could be at mercy of the tornado, due to traffic backlogging on the Interstate and the Texan Rangers blocking northbound and southbound lanes.

Yeah, I do not want to see that.
 
Or, hell, maybe the Jarrell F5 (which had a path of 7.8 miles, which is nearly 8 miles), forms in southwest Austin and goes through downtown. At rush hour.

Yeah, that would be bad...
 
Angelique, I think, will get localized in its "Angelique Special" version for the Sega Saturn sometime in 1998. How well does it do? I'm not entirely sure of that yet but it will get localized at some point.

It's Koei. The main series is basically "women's Nobunaga's Ambition." It was deliberately designed to and successfully hit everything women love about shoujo manga and has an easy entry barrier for people who don't play civilization sim games. Plus the romance, while a big part, is optional (though obviously very few women don't do the romance). So it's very much different from Tokimemo. Plus it's considered to be THE origin of the otome game genre. The spinoffs are the board game style video games, JRPGs and tradiitonal visual novels. Frankly, I'm surprised your TL hasn't brought the first game over since it was released in 1994 OTL (especially with the success of Tokimemo and Sailor Moon in the West ITL).


Eh, I don't even think it should even do that well. Like I said, Angelique already began the otome game genre years earlier there and Syrielle would probably just drown against tougher competition by the time it gets localized.

Well thanks for the info kamui, that make more sense there and about lack of info...you will belive me first time hear of the game? a shame would have done good in 1995 or year of rpg, but as ry say saturn one is coming. Well Koei would fare better as is easier to do visual novels in snes-cd



Oh, really quick. I have an idea for something for the next update. I don't want to spoil anything, so I'm just going to float this question out there: What do you guys think about meteorological butterflies? It wouldn't be a total weather overhaul, but something that happened IOTL happens...a bit bigger, let's say. Would it be too ASB to start having minor weather butterflies or do you guys believe that the weather could be changed five years after a POD?

Heck the original butterfly effect was about climate for me: Hurricanes,tornados, storm, may or may not butterfly away, depend how happened but mostly woud be butterfly away ot be worse(as i thonk the one you propose) and more importat, Five year a POD is take your pick.

An EARTHQUAKE did is more harder to butterfly away(as those can be fully natural till fracking become more common), so those should be keep.
 
Angelique, I think, will get localized in its "Angelique Special" version for the Sega Saturn sometime in 1998. How well does it do? I'm not entirely sure of that yet but it will get localized at some point.

Well thanks for the info kamui, that make more sense there and about lack of info...you will belive me first time hear of the game? a shame would have done good in 1995 or year of rpg, but as ry say saturn one is coming. Well Koei would fare better as is easier to do visual novels in snes-cd

Just the Saturn version? There were also a Playstation version of Special released simultaneously OTL. Kinda seems weird Koei wouldn't want to try to maximize sales with a multiplat release.
 
Just the Saturn version? There were also a Playstation version of Special released simultaneously OTL. Kinda seems weird Koei wouldn't want to try to maximize sales with a multiplat release.

that would be something to consider,1998 is still viable for snes-cd titles too, and that can be a full multi(snes-cd,saturn,ultra) the issue i think butterflies will make special being more advance(a full fledge remake that a voice one, remmeber angelique here would be snes-cd day one in japan) to make it 'special' to Saturn :D .

The idea is in consideration....
 
As a fan of The Hunger Games, reading the name "Suzanne Collins" grabbed my attention immediately. I think that, with Collins getting more involved in writing for video games, and with visual novels like Snatcher and now Syrielle starting to make their presence known in the West, something like The Hunger Games might actually still crop up, but in video game form. The game I'm picturing is one where the first half is more of an adventure game than an action game, one where you're training for the Games and hobnobbing in the Capitol to gain sponsors, with the opening in District 12 being a prologue/tutorial of sorts. The events of Catching Fire and Mockingjay could also very well be rolled into this game to create a grand, twenty-hour storyline, in which case the progression could alternate between the action of the Games (and the revolution in the last third or so) and the adventure/visual novel portions outside it.

Plus, we'll finally get a good official map of Panem. :p

Then again, Collins' stated inspiration for writing The Hunger Games was watching news of the War on Terror followed by reality TV. The fact that Joseph Lieberman is stated to be Vice President in 2006 indicates that the Democrats win the White House in at least the 2004 election*, which means a very different War on Terror is likely to occur. That would have huge butterflies; Collins might still write a dystopian sci-fi story, but there's a good chance it will only have the faintest semblance to The Hunger Games.

*(Unless we're talking a scenario where Lieberman jumps to the Republicans. IOTL, he had a fraught relationship with the Democratic Party over the War on Terror; from 2007 to 2010, he was officially an independent, and he endorsed McCain in 2008. And given his OTL relationship with video games, the butterflies ITTL are likely to make him one of the first politicians whose career is affected. Maybe Bush still wins in 2000, but Dick Cheney does something stupid as VP (maybe an earlier, and fatal, "hunting accident") that makes him a liability, and Bush dumps him on the ticket and replaces him with the Democratic hawk Lieberman in '04 in a show of bipartisanship?)

Also, I can't help but feel, going by the tone of their segments, that Sony/Nintendo is getting a bit cocky with the Ultra Nintendo. They feel that they're all but assured dominance in the fifth generation, and that there's no way the Saturn can compete with their powerful hardware... just like how OTL's PS2 and GameCube couldn't compete with the Xbox. :p I'm getting E3 2006 flashbacks reading their segments.
 
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As a fan of The Hunger Games, reading the name "Suzanne Collins" grabbed my attention immediately. I think that, with Collins getting more involved in writing for video games, and with visual novels like Snatcher and now Syrielle starting to make their presence known in the West, something like The Hunger Games might actually still crop up, but in video game form. The game I'm picturing is one where the first half is more of an adventure game than an action game, one where you're training for the Games and hobnobbing in the Capitol to gain sponsors, with the opening in District 12 being a prologue/tutorial of sorts. The events of Catching Fire and Mockingjay could also very well be rolled into this game to create a grand, twenty-hour storyline, in which case the progression could alternate between the action of the Games (and the revolution in the last third or so) and the adventure/visual novel portions outside it.

Plus, we'll finally get a good official map of Panem. :p
While I admit I haven't read the books, going by the first two movies I could totally see Hunger Games as an action-adventure-RPG/genre blending (/defying) video game.

Then again, Collins' stated inspiration for writing The Hunger Games was watching news of the War on Terror followed by reality TV.
Huh, I did not know that. Kinda makes sense though.

Also, I can't help but feel, going by the tone of their segments, that Sony/Nintendo is getting a bit cocky with the Ultra Nintendo. They feel that they're all but assured dominance in the fifth generation, and that there's no way the Saturn can compete with their powerful hardware... just like how OTL's PS2 and GameCube couldn't compete with the Xbox. :p
You know, I was kinda thinking along those lines myself. I'm predicting the Ultra to do the same thing the Saturn did ITTL only with more killer apps on (U.S.) launch day (Mario Dimensions, I think I recall they said FF VII could be ready by then, and I don't recall a release date for Starfox 2). It starts slow but builds momentum. Plus the developers haven't really even started pushing the Saturn's full power to its breaking point yet; I mean the SNES-CD has managed to keep up remarkably well for the hardware being so outclassed. I think that's what'll happen here; the Ultra's hardware outclasses the Saturn, but it's necessarily about the hardware specs as much as how they're utilized.
 
You know, I was kinda thinking along those lines myself. I'm predicting the Ultra to do the same thing the Saturn did ITTL only with more killer apps on (U.S.) launch day (Mario Dimensions, I think I recall they said FF VII could be ready by then, and I don't recall a release date for Starfox 2). It starts slow but builds momentum. Plus the developers haven't really even started pushing the Saturn's full power to its breaking point yet; I mean the SNES-CD has managed to keep up remarkably well for the hardware being so outclassed. I think that's what'll happen here; the Ultra's hardware outclasses the Saturn, but it's necessarily about the hardware specs as much as how they're utilized.

I'd imagine it's gonna be more like OTL's Xbox than Saturn in terms of success, but overall, what you're saying is pretty much what I'm thinking.

Another thing I was thinking about: the Gigadisc, the proprietary disc format Sony's using for the Ultra Nintendo. It's stated as having a storage capacity of one gigabyte, which sounds impressive... until you remember that a single-sided, single-layer DVD IOTL holds 4.7 GB. Gigadisc, by contrast, is only barely superior to Video CD (800 MB) and regular CD (700 MB), which tells me it may be a derivative of it. IOTL, Sony was part of the DVD Consortium, and helped develop the DVD along with Philips, Toshiba, and Panasonic, but ITTL, it looks like they went their own way instead, gearing up for a format war between DVD and their proprietary Gigadisc. And since I see no reason why any other companies should side with Sony and abandon DVD (which still looks well on its way to becoming the standard) for an objectively inferior format, something tells me that Gigadisc is gonna join Betamax and MiniDisc in Sony's history of failed proprietary media.

So make that another reason why I see storm clouds in the Ultra Nintendo's future.
 
I'd imagine it's gonna be more like OTL's Xbox than Saturn in terms of success, but overall, what you're saying is pretty much what I'm thinking.

Another thing I was thinking about: the Gigadisc, the proprietary disc format Sony's using for the Ultra Nintendo. It's stated as having a storage capacity of one gigabyte, which sounds impressive... until you remember that a single-sided, single-layer DVD IOTL holds 4.7 GB. Gigadisc, by contrast, is only barely superior to Video CD (800 MB) and regular CD (700 MB), which tells me it may be a derivative of it. IOTL, Sony was part of the DVD Consortium, and helped develop the DVD along with Philips, Toshiba, and Panasonic, but ITTL, it looks like they went their own way instead, gearing up for a format war between DVD and their proprietary Gigadisc. And since I see no reason why any other companies should side with Sony and abandon DVD (which still looks well on its way to becoming the standard) for an objectively inferior format, something tells me that Gigadisc is gonna join Betamax and MiniDisc in Sony's history of failed proprietary media.

So make that another reason why I see storm clouds in the Ultra Nintendo's future.
Good point, but the GameCube used a semi-proprietary disc and couldn't play DVDs (at least I don't think it could), and it still managed to carve itself out a little niche. And with SEGA & SONtendo being the only players (so far) in the console game, that "niche" is still close to half the market depending on price point (being too expensive can shoot any console in the foot, at least in the short term). Also the OTL Dreamcast's GD-ROM format was proprietary and only had a 1GB capacity, and SEGA's OTL missteps with the 32X & gimped Saturn (& subsequent lack of 3rd party support) are what crippled the Dreamcast; though it's admittedly possible the disc issue may've come up later if the console had survived long enough (the planed - albeit aborted - DVD player peripheral not withstanding).

I can see it going either way. Either the Gigadisc holds the system back until the Ultra DVD expansion comes out, or it just means that Ultra games need more discs than DVD based games. In either case they have a year or so before people think about it, I don't recall hearing much about DVD video before '98-'99 & OTL's DVD-based consoles didn't release until 2000-2001. Gives SEGA time to consider their next move.
 
people we're in 1997 and thinking about DVD into videogame console, jeez, That is still in experimentation stage jeez, have some pacience. Something to Note,Sony gigadisc, like otl yamaha-sega, were real format based as cd expansion before the DVD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD-ROM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-density_compact_disc , when Sega do dreamcast nobody was thinking in dvd, here the same, and little spoiler: nintedo chose that format to fight rampant piracy in optic based media(as CD being bigger and just made by sony, would make life to pirates hards for a while) and give more space to managed to date(ie game would be made with 1GB in mind in average, or two disc if pretty big).

RR, you're in the money trail, when nobody would think in dvd yet, when next gen is in planning what will be something to be discused by developer people... if follow the clues would knew how unfold.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking TTL's Dreamcast equivalent will probably be DVD based; there might be a low-budget DVD add on for the Ultra, but they'll probably just wait for their next system (The Nintendo PlayStation 2?:D).

Also, off topic but HOLY $#!T SHENMUE 3 IS HAPPENING!!!!

In June 2015, he launched Shenmue III as a Kickstarter crowdfunding campaign, which was successfully funded within eight hours, setting a crowdfunding record. It is set for release in December 2017.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3
 
Putting this here like a notification:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/150713e.pdf

The end of a era indeed, even when he didn't have a major role in the TL so far. RIP.

Considering that Iwata pretty much rewrote Earthbound's entire code to elegance when just about everyone was about to give up on the game because of how messy it was, I think Smiles and Tears is an appropriate farewell song.

To quote Shigeki Morimoto of Game Freak:

Shigeki Morimoto said:
Well, I thought: “What kind of company president is this!?” (laughs)

A rare one, that's for certain.
 
Damn, this is pretty rough news to hear. :(

I need to include him in the next update somehow as a tribute. He'd have been working with HAL still at the time, possibly working on Pokemon in some capacity. You'll see him next update. Who knows, things may turn out differently for him ITTL. There is a character in this story who would be nearing the end of their cancer fight right around the time Iwata would have been beginning his, so perhaps they might've been able to help him.
 
What are the OTL hosts of Family Feud doing in this point of time TTL?

These are the OTL hosts:

Richard Dawson (1976-85, 1993-95 ITTL instead of 1994-1995)

Raymond Combs (1988-93 ITTL instead of 1988-94 OTL)

Louie Anderson (1999-2002)

Richard Karn (2002-2006)

John O'Hurley (2006-2010)

Steve Harvey (2010-present)

Also, we got a new host that is confirmed to be hosting Family Feud:

Bernie Mac (We don't know when he started, but he is hosting in 2008)
 
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