Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

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Going into Pyro's update for a moment, does Kingdom Come still get published? I ask, because Hypertime is mentioned in the update, and I'm familiar with the concept due to The Kingdom, the sequel to said comic.

Yes, it will. But James Robinson will be writing it (Alex Ross pitched it to him first IOTL) instead of Mark Waid.
 
Toonami will be MENTIONED, though it may or may not be starting early.

Any other pop culture things you guys want to see? I'm planning on doing the update on Friday so if you want something touched on be sure to let us know!

I'd say X-Files, but you guys admitted your lack of knowledge.

And Star Wars is too early to check in on.

Hmmm... maybe Kids' WB? Would other companies seek to have Sailor Moon counterprogramming?

Oh, wait, maybe the Simpsons do an episode fully dedicated to the subject of video games. Although the OTL 95-96 season already had the Christmas episode where Bart tries to steal a copy of a Mortal Kombat-like game.
 
Have something about the Macarena (it was the dance of the summer of 1996) in there.

And don't forget about the Olympics and the NBA Finals (and I'd like to see who the Mariners face in 1996)...
 
I'd say X-Files, but you guys admitted your lack of knowledge.

And Star Wars is too early to check in on.

Hmmm... maybe Kids' WB? Would other companies seek to have Sailor Moon counterprogramming?

Oh, wait, maybe the Simpsons do an episode fully dedicated to the subject of video games. Although the OTL 95-96 season already had the Christmas episode where Bart tries to steal a copy of a Mortal Kombat-like game.

X-files have a massive butterfly thanks to real life pregnancy of Scully who kickstarted the whole conspiracy subplot to new heights....but knew little about it(i watch the show years ago and rerun never happen here). the rest will be discussed and about SW, shadows of empire is still in conpcetual space....

The SNES-CD already make a cameo in burns heirs(parodying the boom of detective games at the time).

Have something about the Macarena (it was the dance of the summer of 1996) in there.

And don't forget about the Olympics and the NBA Finals (and I'd like to see who the Mariners face in 1996)...

We've some for the olympics, about NBA wait for it...and about World series...is not called October classcic for nothing(aka wait to october ;) )
 
Well the Unabomber was apprehended and Tupac was murdered maybe we could hear something about those, I know you two like the dark-side of pop culture;)
 
Tupac was murdered in September, so whatever happens with him will happen a bit later in the TL. Actually September 1996's shaping up to be kind of a big month. Kids WB will get a mention. There will be SOMETHING popping up to counter Sailor Moon, I have an idea in mind but no spoilers until the post. Macarena will get a mention (though I do plan on listing 1996's chart toppers in the year end post).

Olympics will be covered in the July 1996 update.

I'll see what we can do about Buffy. Remember that Darkest Ritual influenced Whedon a bit (I can see Etienne influencing Willow...there's not really a Kris analogue though, there's a BIT of Buffy in Kris but not much)
 
The SNES-CD already make a cameo in burns heirs(parodying the boom of detective games at the time).

I know, but I'm thinking either an episode about Marge discovering about games adults like from her friends, Bart wanting the newest console, or a satirical look into game development.

Probably still too much to ask for though.
 
So, bout them Niche Genres...

Awesome TL, as always.

I have a quick question. What's going on with Real-Time Strategy Games and Space Sims at the moment?

I'm asking because, at this time OTL, Wing Commander III had come out on the Playstation in March, and Wing Commander IV was out on PC with a 1997 release for the Playstation on the way. I'm thinking that, with Origin throwing in its lot with Sega, they'll porbably end up on the Saturn.

As for RTS, Warcraft II was out, and ended up on both Playstation and Saturn in 1997. Starcraft, while a few years out at this point, did get an Nintendo 64 Release.

Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn was out at this point as well, and it got ported to Saturn and Playstation. IOTL, these ports were considered lackluster, but with the Saturn's improved capabilities, not to mention the power behind Project Eunice and Nintendo and Sony's commitment to working with PC Developers for their system, I could see there ports being better received. Command & Conquer: Red Alert, which had a Playstation release, is also upcoming.

So, yeah. Just wanted to know if anything was happening with these games, since I knew that they came out around where we are ITTL.
 
I know, but I'm thinking either an episode about Marge discovering about games adults like from her friends, Bart wanting the newest console, or a satirical look into game development.

Probably still too much to ask for though.

Mmm....I might touch on it if I can come up with something good.

I have a quick question. What's going on with Real-Time Strategy Games and Space Sims at the moment?

I'm asking because, at this time OTL, Wing Commander III had come out on the Playstation in March, and Wing Commander IV was out on PC with a 1997 release for the Playstation on the way. I'm thinking that, with Origin throwing in its lot with Sega, they'll porbably end up on the Saturn.

As for RTS, Warcraft II was out, and ended up on both Playstation and Saturn in 1997. Starcraft, while a few years out at this point, did get an Nintendo 64 Release.

Command & Conquer: Tiberian Dawn was out at this point as well, and it got ported to Saturn and Playstation. IOTL, these ports were considered lackluster, but with the Saturn's improved capabilities, not to mention the power behind Project Eunice and Nintendo and Sony's commitment to working with PC Developers for their system, I could see there ports being better received. Command & Conquer: Red Alert, which had a Playstation release, is also upcoming.

So, yeah. Just wanted to know if anything was happening with these games, since I knew that they came out around where we are ITTL.

IIRC we do have a Command and Conquer port planned for the SNES-CD in 1997. The Saturn could see something somewhat better. I know we'll touch on Starcraft in some capacity and I imagine the Saturn will see a Warcraft port in 1997 as well. Also I think I'd like to come up with some original RTS games as we go into the Ultra Nintendo generation.
 
IIRC we do have a Command and Conquer port planned for the SNES-CD in 1997. The Saturn could see something somewhat better. I know we'll touch on Starcraft in some capacity and I imagine the Saturn will see a Warcraft port in 1997 as well. Also I think I'd like to come up with some original RTS games as we go into the Ultra Nintendo generation.

Sounds awesome. :) I'd love to brainstorm an RTS concept or two for the TL, I just have no idea what kind of setting I would put it in.

Nothing on Wing Commander though? I would have thought that they would at least get ports on the Saturn, given how well Ultima: The Worldly Lord seemed to have done on the system. Oh well, I'll just have to see what else you guys have in store!
 
Sounds awesome. :) I'd love to brainstorm an RTS concept or two for the TL, I just have no idea what kind of setting I would put it in.

Nothing on Wing Commander though? I would have thought that they would at least get ports on the Saturn, given how well Ultima: The Worldly Lord seemed to have done on the system. Oh well, I'll just have to see what else you guys have in store!

The first Wing Commander game only did so-so on the SNES-CD, so they might be hesitant to bring some of the others to the Saturn thus far. Some PC games don't end up doing as well on the home consoles.
 
I know I mentioned this in an earlier post, but when or will End of Evangelion hit the West? It came out in '97 OTL. I honestly hate NGE (the freaking DVD menus for EoE are terrifying :eek:), but I won't deny its influence on anime.

And I will scream and tear my hair out if FMA is OOTP in this TL. :mad::p:D

Another question: what effects does the continued Console Wars have on the world, outside of Japan and the United States? Imagine Yeltsin playing an RPG. :p:D
 
Sounds awesome. :) I'd love to brainstorm an RTS concept or two for the TL, I just have no idea what kind of setting I would put it in.

Nothing on Wing Commander though? I would have thought that they would at least get ports on the Saturn, given how well Ultima: The Worldly Lord seemed to have done on the system. Oh well, I'll just have to see what else you guys have in store!

The first Wing Commander game only did so-so on the SNES-CD, so they might be hesitant to bring some of the others to the Saturn thus far. Some PC games don't end up doing as well on the home consoles.

As Ry say, some pc games have found new life in SNES-CD and Saturn too, but not all can be sucessful, but in otl i remember a lot of pc ports too,but again of varying quality and sucess, and N64 got both port of Command and Conquer and Starcraft, so port of it as ry say would come, we're focus in rpg and original games as the focus this year,xd but will make mention and brainstorm about it too.


I know I mentioned this in an earlier post, but when or will End of Evangelion hit the West? It came out in '97 OTL. I honestly hate NGE (the freaking DVD menus for EoE are terrifying :eek:), but I won't deny its influence on anime.

And I will scream and tear my hair out if FMA is OOTP in this TL. :mad::p:D

Another question: what effects does the continued Console Wars have on the world, outside of Japan and the United States? Imagine Yeltsin playing an RPG. :p:D

What is OOTP(out of the park as baseball), butterflies work in both side of pacific so would dunno what happen to it.

Evangelion is on the to-do list, just waiting when will come and mention it later.

Note: Legend of Hidden Temple used to give Philips Cdi and Wataru Supervision(the pirategameboymxd, will still give those awful prizes with the POD?(YES?)
 
Pop-culture wise, did the riot grrl movement in music have more traction? With Kobain still alive, I could see him pushing for more cross-promotion of Bikini Kill, as he was good friends with Kathleen Hanna. IOTL is started in 1992 and Bikini Kill and Bratmobile were at the forefront of it as the most visible bands. But the movement had died by 1995 for various reasons. With a more visible presence of female characters in games, does that help the Riot Grrl scene?

Also, what is the comic convention scene like, are events like San Diego Comic Con bigger now? Does Nintendo start exhibiting at SDCC earlier than OTL? Anime Expo started in 1992 in San Jose, do butterflies keep it in San Jose or does it move to LA as it did in 1994 OTL?
 
I know I mentioned this in an earlier post, but when or will End of Evangelion hit the West? It came out in '97 OTL. I honestly hate NGE (the freaking DVD menus for EoE are terrifying :eek:), but I won't deny its influence on anime.

And I will scream and tear my hair out if FMA is OOTP in this TL. :mad::p:D

Another question: what effects does the continued Console Wars have on the world, outside of Japan and the United States? Imagine Yeltsin playing an RPG.

Evangelion will be touched on in the pop culture update. Not sure what'll happen with FMA just yet. As for what happens outside of Japan and the United States, PAL continues to get screwed out of certain RPGs ITTL. They'll get some of them earlier (Chrono Trigger and Super Mario RPG, for example), but they miss out on others. In a lot of ways, PAL ITTL is North America IOTL. They get most of the good stuff but miss out on some of it. Amiga console ports have helped out some of the big Amiga developers, so they can get more experimental and there remains some great Amiga exclusives that will do very will in Europe. I might touch on them later on.

Pop-culture wise, did the riot grrl movement in music have more traction? With Kobain still alive, I could see him pushing for more cross-promotion of Bikini Kill, as he was good friends with Kathleen Hanna. IOTL is started in 1992 and Bikini Kill and Bratmobile were at the forefront of it as the most visible bands. But the movement had died by 1995 for various reasons. With a more visible presence of female characters in games, does that help the Riot Grrl scene?

Also, what is the comic convention scene like, are events like San Diego Comic Con bigger now? Does Nintendo start exhibiting at SDCC earlier than OTL? Anime Expo started in 1992 in San Jose, do butterflies keep it in San Jose or does it move to LA as it did in 1994 OTL?

Hmmm....I do need to do SOMETHING with Comic-Con but I'm not sure games would come to it until the Ultra Nintendo generation, so it might not be until 1998 that Comic-Con is touched on. At the moment, Anime Expo remains the same as well, though events in the pop culture update MIGHT cause that to change for 1997.

As for Cobain and the riot grrrl movement, right now he's taking it easy and I could definitely see him trying to channel his fame into helping out some of his friends, since he's still not one to embrace the spotlight. Kathleen Hanna will benefit, and we haven't seen the last of Courtney Love either (and not in the ways you might expect). The presence of a popular video game show on MTV is highly beneficial (hell, host Brittany Saldita identifies with the riot grrrl movement and has a number of friends amongst some of the bands). I could include something on how some of the bands are doing as of 1996. I don't think any of them hits the mainstream but maybe one cracks the top 40? With more girls getting into games and watching that show on MTV, inevitably they'd catch a music video or two, maybe Brittany uses her pull to get a video played during one of the commercials of the show?
 
Is it even remotely plausible that Nirvana might do what No Doubt did? i.e. Kurt Cobain does a solo album and the others might do some side projects (like Dave Groll still putting together some form of the Foo Fighters)? Oh, and what is No Doubt up to? Do they still exist?

I know this is skipping ahead quite a ways but would TTL see something I'd still like to see OTL? Namely a Bioware-Rockstar collaboration on a 'Mass Effect' style reboot of the Wing Commander franchise with the original FMV actors reprising their roles in the voice cast?

Speaking of Rockstar what's happening with Grand Theft Auto ITTL?
And does Bioware even exist? (if they do come to be, can they get bought out by NOT EA? And can SWTOR be even Better.....OK now I'm really getting ahead of everyone:eek::D)
 
And does Bioware even exist?

According to Wikipedia, the OTL BioWare was formed in February 1995 and released their first game (Shattered Steel) in September of 1996. Whether these events still happened ITTL is not guaranteed, mind you; as I've said before, the butterflies give and the butterflies take away.
 
I wonder if with Sailor Moon's earlier popularity and higher profile (being a network show instead of syndicated), if a show like Animanics would end up doing some kind of parody of it.
 
How is Transformers doing? How is or rather was Generation 2? What about Beast Wars? How is Animaniacs doing? What about the other Steven Spielberg Animated shows/ Is Freakazoid going on? If so, I hope it goes on longer.
 
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