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Roger Redux

Roger Redux

Awesome updates! I must say I'm really psyched to see what your version of Sonic 4 looks like. Nice to see the fans and critics alike showing some love for Knuckles: Renegade (which I so would've had ITTL, especially since it came with a Mega Charger).

Re: the Fire Emblem & Sailor Moon conversations: oh Japan, in any timeline, Don't Ever Change!

OH! What will Batman 4 be like, who will direct, and will they wait for Kilmer to finish The Saint? (Does The Saint even still get made?)
 

Nivek

Roger Redux said:
Awesome updates! I must say I'm really psyched to see what your version of Sonic 4 looks like. Nice to see the fans and critics alike showing some love for Knuckles: Renegade (which I so would've had ITTL, especially since it came with a Mega Charger).

Re: the Fire Emblem & Sailor Moon conversations: oh Japan, in any timeline, Don't Ever Change!

OH! What will Batman 4 be like, who will direct, and will they wait for Kilmer to finish The Saint? (Does The Saint even still get made?)
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We've Plans for Sonic, very big plans for saturn sonic(unlike otl all sonic games were spinoff), just wait those at their time. Yeah Knuckles:Renegade is what Knuckles solo game should have been, withoth that ring gimmick and more focus exploration and platforming.

Yes that is how japan is, but that is why we loved it .:eek:

Umm that is a good question, wait how will unfold.

Mr.E said:
Something gone unnoticed:
This TL is now 51 pages long. Isn't that a milestone?
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Yeah 1003th post as now, wow this have been fast and what of a ride, i will hope another 1000th more post.
 

RySenkari

OH! What will Batman 4 be like, who will direct, and will they wait for Kilmer to finish The Saint? (Does The Saint even still get made?)
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Hmmm... I think The Saint gets butterflied away, so Kilmer will be free. I'm pretty sure Schumacher will be back for Batman 4, which will still take a lot from IOTL's Batman and Robin but won't be nearly as awful.

So, I take it from this remark that "The Finale" is unchanged ITTL?
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Not COMPLETELY unchanged, but largely unchanged, I imagine the ending would be pretty much the same.
 
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Roger Redux

Nivek said:
We've Plans for Sonic, very big plans for saturn sonic(unlike otl all sonic games were spinoff), just wait those at their time.
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I'll wait, but I can't promise it'll be easy.;)

Nivek said:
Yeah Knuckles:Renegade is what Knuckles solo game should have been, withoth that ring gimmick and more focus exploration and platforming.
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I never had a 32X, so I only know vaguely from 2nd & 3rd hand accounts how bad Chaotix was.

Nivek said:
Yes that is how japan is, but that is why we loved it .:eek:
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Agreed!

RySenkari said:
Hmmm... I think The Saint gets butterflied away, so Kilmer will be free. I'm pretty sure Schumacher will be back for Batman 4, which will still take a lot from IOTL's Batman and Robin but won't be nearly as awful.
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Small suggestion: if you're going for more dramatic/serious, Patrick Stewart as Freeze.
 

VariantAberrant

RySenkari said:
Hmmm... I think The Saint gets butterflied away, so Kilmer will be free. I'm pretty sure Schumacher will be back for Batman 4, which will still take a lot from IOTL's Batman and Robin but won't be nearly as awful.
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Does that mean Batman Triumphant will get made?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_in_film#Batman_Triumphant

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Triumphant

Wikipedia said:
(Mark) Protosevich's script had the Scarecrow as the main villain and the Joker would return as a hallucination in Batman's mind caused by the Scarecrow's fear toxin. Harley Quinn appeared as a supporting character, written as the Joker's daughter trying to kill Batman to avenge her father's death.
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They wanted Nicolas Cage as Scarecrow; the Batman Wiki says Steve Buscemi, Ewan MacGregor and Jeff Goldblum were also considered for the part.

Roger Redux said:
Small suggestion: if you're going for more dramatic/serious, Patrick Stewart as Freeze.
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Fandom at the time actually hoped for that, or at least the MST3K groups on Usenet did. Somebody also suggested Demi Moore as Poison Ivy.
 
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Roger Redux

VariantAberrant said:
Does that mean Batman Triumphant will get made?
They wanted Nicolas Cage as Scarecrow; the Batman Wiki says Steve Buscemi, Ewan MacGregor and Jeff Goldblum were also considered for the part.
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Wow, never heard any of those choices, last time I heard anything about Batman Triumphant the script was either destroyed or held under ultramax lock and key and WB was making damn sure it didn't get leaked. Any one of those actors would be an interesting choise in completely different ways. I'd also go for Mia Sara as Harley Quinn, and bring back Michelle Pfieffer as Selina/Catwoman.

VariantAberrant said:
Somebody also suggested Demi Moore as Poison Ivy.
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:eek: Oooh! Yes please! How about, Jennifer Connelly as Barbara Gordon/Batgirl?

Does Burton get to make his Catwoman movie, or is that still trapped in development hell?
 

VariantAberrant

Roger Redux said:
Wow, never heard any of those choices, last time I heard anything about Batman Triumphant the script was either destroyed or held under ultramax lock and key and WB was making damn sure it didn't get leaked.
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You're not the only one who's heard something like that:

Ian Gonzales at Unwinnable said:
Information regarding Batman Triumphant is sparse partially because the script was locked away in a vault before high speed Internet became the standard in homes and business. Also, there probably wasn’t a lowly assistant in Hollywood who realized how valuable that script would be in the growing world of infotainment.
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http://www.unwinnable.com/2010/10/20/the-batman-who-wasnt-there/#.VTwPAyFVhBc

Any one of those actors would be an interesting choise in completely different ways.
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Very much so. I tend to favor MacGregor simply because he's the only Briton on the list, with Goldblum my second choice if we don't want, for instance, Branagh as Obi-Wan.

:eek: Oooh! Yes please! How about, Jennifer Connelly as Barbara Gordon/Batgirl?
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I don't know; I had no problem with Alicia Silverstone's performance as "Barbara Wilson" that wasn't down to her backstory being a dog's shoe-horned breakfast. I'd be pleased as punch to give her a shot at playing an actual Barbara Gordon or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

Does Burton get to make his Catwoman movie, or is that still trapped in development hell?
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I hope he does, but Ry and Nivek, like Brainbin, are not writing a utopia. ;)
 

Clorox23

RySenkari said:
Not COMPLETELY unchanged, but largely unchanged, I imagine the ending would be pretty much the same.
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Ah, so they still go to jail for doing "nothing". ... ... ...joy...

Also, unrelated question, since it came back on 1995 IOTL, does Svengoolie come back ITTL (currently watching the "Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein")?
 

Nivek

Clorox23 said:
Ah, so they still go to jail for doing "nothing". ... ... ...joy...

Also, unrelated question, since it came back on 1995 IOTL, does Svengoolie come back ITTL (currently watching the "Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein")?
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In Hindsight, Seinfield ending maybe was the best adaptation of 'the bonfire of vanities' that otl flim, as show how care for yourself and doing nothing would be the correct in real life, but seinfield is not and people wanting glory in universe doomed the characthers...at least i think like that, yeah a pretty sofistiace ending for a vanal show...pretty fitting.
 

AN9

Say, since the UNES is going to incorporate what would have been the Playstation, plus it will be using more tech (I'm assuming since it will take two more years than the Saturn) will it still be a 5th generation console, or will it be a 6th gen?
 

Nivek

AN9 said:
Say, since the UNES is going to incorporate what would have been the Playstation, plus it will be using more tech (I'm assuming since it will take two more years than the Saturn) will it still be a 5th generation console, or will it be a 6th gen?
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Loving our readers.... Remember that PS1/Saturn were pretty capable being 1993 tech, and N64 even better with 1994-1995 tech, and we knew how saturn was capable with 1998(cutting edge) tech. Again Hardware depend of software.

But avoding spoilers(uncle ry is more lenient with those) Generations are more about marketshare that raw power, generations are too a healthy indicators console have stability and marketplace. When in theory both Saturn and Ultra are fifth gen(alongside Solaris for those who have that one), in raw power did feel the jump.
 

James1996

Nivek I thought TTL's Saturn was a refined and more capable version of the OTL N64 hardware wise being 1995 tech and being made by SGI? I also thought the UNES would be almost comparable to the OTL Dreamcast hardware wise being 1997 tech?:confused:
 

RySenkari

AN9 said:
Say, since the UNES is going to incorporate what would have been the Playstation, plus it will be using more tech (I'm assuming since it will take two more years than the Saturn) will it still be a 5th generation console, or will it be a 6th gen?
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Saturn and Ultra are both 5th gen. Think of the 4th gen as having "two rounds" so to speak, round 1 was the SNES/Genesis/TurboGrafx/Neo-Geo and round 2 was SNES-CD/Sega CD/Mega Charger/Jaguar/3DO.

Nivek I thought TTL's Saturn was a refined and more capable version of the OTL N64 hardware wise being 1995 tech and being made by SGI? I also thought the UNES would be almost comparable to the OTL Dreamcast hardware wise being 1997 tech?
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You're right, Saturn was approximate to the N64 and Ultra will be a proto-Dreamcast, but both are still 5th gen. As you can see, the generations will be a bit more powerful than in OTL.
 

RySenkari

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I was wikipedia-walking the other night, looking up information on the Seiun Award shortlist, when I got reminded of a game I can't believe we forgot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_A_Live

Did this get an official export ITTL? Was it on cartridge or CD? Did it even exist, or was it butterflied away?
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SNES-CD, but it stayed in Japan. Same case with Treasure of the Rudras. Not every great Japan-only game makes it over, even in this optimistic timeline. Perhaps a remake can make it down the road?
 

Nivek

RySenkari said:
SNES-CD, but it stayed in Japan. Same case with Treasure of the Rudras. Not every great Japan-only game makes it over, even in this optimistic timeline. Perhaps a remake can make it down the road?
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James1996 said:
Damn that seems like a good game I hope it made over here to the US TTL unlike OTL.
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We need to leave a job for fan translations ;)

Officially all major companies are overheating with their translation, Square is full, Enix too, Nintendo too. Meaning games will be at the other side of pacific.

But as ry say, remakes for the export are possible, they can even be imported back to the land of rising sun.

Here CD have been dreamy for localization, all localization cost the CD handled it and can turn profit ina 50-55 price tag.
 
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