Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

[Nivek]

Given this timeline's Nomad will incorporate the Mega Charger components, I think battery life will be worse when playing Mega Charger enabled games.

Anyway, today, I didn't think I would be waking up to Nintendo's mobile deal with DeNA. That's something that will be hit by butterflies. Of course, it all depends on the direction of mobile phone technology.

Regarding the future of Sunrise, hm, that's quite the question. Who would have the money to buy them up or take their staff?

Yeah, but as we're dealing, they will be like PSP...playing with the charger on(and during the road trip, connected in the ligther, just leech that car battery, ) so people would manage it.

(Note: This come from a guy who jumped from the GBA to 3DS straight, taking custom battery life take a while)

About Sunrise..they were bought by Bandai in first place because they've some financial issue, so the ship will sunk with Bandai All together.... unless someone is interested, ideas in that front?

 

[flydeath]

Well Sega could use them to be able to increase there different or cool factor on other audiences. Wait does Sega have a history on making any model kits for their stuff?
Another company that could by them is Hasbro, though I have no idea what they would do with a company like Sunrise.
If nothing else Nintendo/Sony could pick them up to add to the long list of companies working whit them.

Oh and on the whole Nintendo smartphone thing, I was presently surprised that the psp go wasn't a smartphone, and latter the ps vita. Sony could have gotten a lot more sales using the contracts that we see in the mobile phone market and have a plenty big install base for their games. Nintendo on the other had is still making a next gen console called the NX, I have no idea what will replace the 3ds though however Nintendo has said that they want to create an all in one platform for their next system.

 

[Nivek]

Well Sega could use them to be able to increase there different or cool factor on other audiences. Wait does Sega have a history on making any model kits for their stuff?
Another company that could by them is Hasbro, though I have no idea what they would do with a company like Sunrise.
If nothing else Nintendo/Sony could pick them up to add to the long list of companies working whit them.

Ummm good points, and again Sunrise=gundam and gundam=Bandai, that alone worth Bandai...

 

[Nevermore]

I would think that Sega would probably be looking to snap up anything that was connected to Bandai in the aftermath of its buyout in '97. The worth of Bandai's gaming divisions is going to pale in comparison to what it can offer on the multimedia front (divisions dedicated to producing anime, toys, etc.). It's going to be quite the coup for Sega and it makes sense that they'd want to have the complete package. Granted, that's going to be a lot of cash that they're shelling out but I could see Sega of Japan pushing for it really hard; they wanted to merge IOTL, at any rate. The loss of Tamagotchi to Hasbro is something that they might regret in hindsight, but I can't see them letting Sunrise or Banpresto slip through their fingers. As Nivek pointed out: getting the rights to Gundam alone will probably make the expense worth it to them.

That said, I'm not quite sure what properties Sega might look to adapt to the silver screen or make into toys. Perhaps they could do a Shining Force anime or even a Panzer Dragoon one; I could even see them trying to turn Phantasy Star into a science fantasy epic, too. I don't think something like Sonic is conducive to model building but they could always create a franchise themselves that could somehow revolve around this concept. Pokemon's coming soon and if Sega wants to ride that same collectible wave, they're going to need to come up with something.

Also: in the wake of Nintendo finally relenting on putting some of its properties on mobile platforms today, a deal between Nintendo and Nokia to create some sort of Game Boy/phone hybrid suddenly doesn't seem so crazy. Just saying.

Great update, though, guys. Loved the coverage of Ocarina of Dreams. It sounds like a pretty epic game, but it does leave me wondering what that leaves for the UNES Zelda game. You've adapted two of OoT's big elements - going between the past and future and the ocarina itself - so I'm not quite sure what the plot of the next game is going to be like. The focus on more continuity within the series itself, with Marin's presence in OoD, is interesting. Makes me wonder if the timeline of the franchise is going to be as hotly debated as IOTL. One of my big questions is if Eiji Aonuma is still going to take over the reins to the franchise eventually or if Miyamoto will stay with it for a bit longer.

I think Saturnday is going to go quite well for Sega; they're sitting pretty cushy right now and I don't think Nintendo and Sony can do much until they come out with the UNES. A two year head start on the competition, if Sega plays its cards right, is going to be quite a boon. Do you guys need any help at the moment coming up with Saturn games?

 

[Nivek]

I liked you Nevermore, touch pretty good Points and details.

Seems we will discuss it but Sega will take it all(and remember...Saturn is not losing money here ) is the most probable outcome, and you say, they can used it to poised as the 'otaku company' and catter the market and have a niche to defend against Nintendo(just they were the western company in japan till saturn, that was a twist in OTL).

About Sega Adaption as Multimedia Franchise(what i call the combo of television+toys and etc), give us ideas, remember Sonic is popular as Never and they would want to keep it big, and new franchise will be coming(Panzer Dragoon among others)

About Ultra Zelda...we've plans for it, remember, we've a CD and far more powerful system(graphics would be like less detailed 3ds one as example), just pacience grasshopper.

Saturnday will be bigger, maybe bigger that 9.9.99(not offense to honorable dreamcast) so Kaliske is just waiting for it, and trying to push as hard the genesis can come, 6 year old console and still kicking.

About Saturn games, remember if PS1 and N64 can run it...is on, so ideas and suggestion are always welcomed.

 

[KamuiArchetype]

Regarding Gundam, the main thing driving the profitability and continuing popularity of the franchise is the Gunpla. Remember that immediately after the reruns began driving interest in MSG, it was Bandai's plastic models (a relatively new market in Japan) that actually made the show popular and kept it in the public consciousness until Zeta. Would Sega actually care about putting the same massive effort with pumping and pimping out plastic models that Bandai did? OTL Japan doesn't really seem to care about Gundam video games no matter how good they are. TBH, I think the franchise may do better if they're not under one of the console makers. Maybe owned by Takara, Tomy, Hasbro, or some other toymaker (kinda biased towards Tomy, though).

 

[Golden Darkness]

About Ultra Zelda...we've plans for it, remember, we've a CD and far more powerful system(graphics would be like less detailed 3ds one as example), just pacience grasshopper.

Saturnday will be bigger, maybe bigger that 9.9.99(not offense to honorable dreamcast) so Kaliske is just waiting for it, and trying to push as hard the genesis can come, 6 year old console and still kicking.

Question, when will we see updates for the Ultra in regards to it's development and getting the dev kits to third parties?

 

[Nivek]

Regarding Gundam, the main thing driving the profitability and continuing popularity of the franchise is the Gunpla. Remember that immediately after the reruns began driving interest in MSG, it was Bandai's plastic models (a relatively new market in Japan) that actually made the show popular and kept it in the public consciousness until Zeta. Would Sega actually care about putting the same massive effort with pumping and pimping out plastic models that Bandai did?

that was in the 80's, we're in summer 95 , the last year,series was the first alternate universe one...G-Gundam(who was a hit for being honest in being merchandise driven) and Gundam Wing is just fresh in the air. so both are safe of butterflies(but X and turn A are erased from history). Meaning Gundam is a money maker so far...and Gundam Rival...Macross is sleping and other rival...Evangelion..is yet to be produced(is 1995 but still in development hell).

So Gundam is Safe for now

Question, when will we see updates for the Ultra in regards to it's development and getting the dev kits to third parties?

When is the time(meaning wait till 1996, pacience for god sake, we still need to launch saturn first)

 

[KamuiArchetype]

that was in the 80's, we're in summer 95 , the last year,series was the first alternate universe one...G-Gundam(who was a hit for being honest in being merchandise driven) and Gundam Wing is just fresh in the air. so both are safe of butterflies(but X and turn A are erased from history). Meaning Gundam is a money maker so far...and Gundam Rival...Macross is sleping and other rival...Evangelion..is yet to be produced(is 1995 but still in development hell).

So Gundam is Safe for now

Yeah, but by the end of Wing Japan's gotten Gundam fatigue. The whole "Gundam X was screwed by Evangelion!" was a myth and people were just tired of Gundam series following one after another. I'm not really seeing anything that can actually change that unless the next series is as groundbreaking as Eva (and nothing ITL thus far really indicates that anyone in Sunrise or their current masters has something like that). Like I said in my edit, I think Gundam may be better off with a toymaker like Tomy. What I'm saying with my previous post is that I don't think Sega would be able to continue keep up with the output that Bandai had, since plamo is now a side focus to video games.

 

[theg*ddam*hoi2fan]

Awesome stuff, lads

Your Batman Forever change made me think... Would it be possible that a better film could lead to DC/Warner Brothers pushing other material? Like...would it be believable if butterflies led to a Wonder Woman animated series?

 

[Nivek]

Yeah, but by the end of Wing Japan's gotten Gundam fatigue. The whole "Gundam X was screwed by Evangelion!" was a myth and people were just tired of Gundam series following one after another. I'm not really seeing anything that can actually change that unless the next series is as groundbreaking as Eva (and nothing ITL thus far really indicates that anyone in Sunrise or their current masters has something like that). Like I said in my edit, I think Gundam may be better off with a toymaker like Tomy. What I'm saying with my previous post is that I don't think Sega would be able to continue keep up with the output that Bandai had, since plamo is now a side focus to video games.

Umm that is true too, but in general you should have mentioned that before too,.

Depend how butterflies Unfold, maybe the would want a blank state with the franchise(reboot) or leave to use the licensed. Just wait how unfold.

So far Ry and I are clear our choices, with your name(kill la kill fan presume?) if have idea for alternate animes and manga...those are welcomed too.

Awesome stuff, lads

Your Batman Forever change made me think... Would it be possible that a better film could lead to DC/Warner Brothers pushing other material? Like...would it be believable if butterflies led to a Wonder Woman animated series?

We've big Plans for DC/Warner, just wait for it

 

[Roger Redux]

So since TTL's Nomad is being called the SEGA Venus, I have to ask: do the commercials for the system feature the Bananarama song?

 

[maritroniuity]

With Sega owning Bandai by 2001, would Sega snipe Disney for control of the Fox Kids/Saban library and Fox Family Channel (so that they can have a larger percentage of the Power Rangers franchise), and if so would continue production of Power Rangers.

Though that is far, far ahead so butterfiles may make this question moot.

 

[KamuiArchetype]

Umm that is true too, but in general you should have mentioned that before too,.

Depend how butterflies Unfold, maybe the would want a blank state with the franchise(reboot) or leave to use the licensed. Just wait how unfold.

So far Ry and I are clear our choices, with your name(kill la kill fan presume?) if have idea for alternate animes and manga...those are welcomed too.

Oh grief, a blank slate. That's going to piss off A LOT of Gundam fans. UC fans are basically the lifeline of the franchise's profits and they've been the consistent money makers OTL. If they see Sega as abandoning UC altogether (and they will, what with the alternate universes and such seeming to them the first moves towards this), holy crap I can't even imagine the horrible backlash against them.

Pfft, Kill la Kill, hell no, my name's a reference to Sanpei Shitaro's groundbreaking manga, the divine spirit in Ainu beliefs, and also the actual meaning of the kanji used.

 

[Nivek]

Was giving open ideas, again they would easily remake UC with better tech, but is too soon to discuss about it.

Interesting Manga, so far, another ideas to discuss about? if have proposal just shared it.

 

[flydeath]

To tell you the truth the Cosmic timeline would have become the new Universal century had the writers not decided to forgo all logic when it came to plot. Seed by it self was OK, ultimately the people who really liked it saw a lot of potential in it as a universe unfortunately destiny happened.

Sega wont have to worry too much about the UC fans as long as they make a series that equals it when it comes to world building, technology, characters, morals, and animation.

One of the things anyone needs to get right is the large diverse and unique mobile suits and mobile armors both sides will use and make the warfare feel like an evolution just like it was in UC. If they can do that and market it well in both Japan and in the west then they will get a winner.

 

[KamuiArchetype]

Was giving open ideas, again they would easily remake UC with better tech, but is too soon to discuss about it.

Interesting Manga, so far, another ideas to discuss about? if have proposal just shared it.

Most of the well-known animation studios are already well-established, but there are a few like Manglobe and Ufotable at the turn of the millenium. You guys might want to check how the butterflies are affecting them.

 

[RySenkari]

Great update, though, guys. Loved the coverage of Ocarina of Dreams. It sounds like a pretty epic game, but it does leave me wondering what that leaves for the UNES Zelda game. You've adapted two of OoT's big elements - going between the past and future and the ocarina itself - so I'm not quite sure what the plot of the next game is going to be like. The focus on more continuity within the series itself, with Marin's presence in OoD, is interesting. Makes me wonder if the timeline of the franchise is going to be as hotly debated as IOTL. One of my big questions is if Eiji Aonuma is still going to take over the reins to the franchise eventually or if Miyamoto will stay with it for a bit longer.

I think Saturnday is going to go quite well for Sega; they're sitting pretty cushy right now and I don't think Nintendo and Sony can do much until they come out with the UNES. A two year head start on the competition, if Sega plays its cards right, is going to be quite a boon. Do you guys need any help at the moment coming up with Saturn games?

Well, technically Link didn't actually GO to the future, he just explored a dungeon that happened to be one of the Nightmare Lords' evil dream of the future, so the time travel thing is still open.... also remember that OTL's Zelda series has continuity between certain games, with Link's Awakening as a direct sequel to Link To The Past, Majora's Mask a sequel to Ocarina of Time, etc. This game is the end of a trilogy, so the next Zelda game will start with a new Link. Anything about Aonuma and Miyamoto is a spoiler, so nothing there. And we could always use Saturn ideas, we have the launch lineup all planned out but future Saturn games from 1996 on would be welcomed.

So since TTL's Nomad is being called the SEGA Venus, I have to ask: do the commercials for the system feature the Bananarama song?

Yes.

 

[Golden Darkness]

Most of the well-known animation studios are already well-established, but there are a few like Manglobe and Ufotable at the turn of the millenium. You guys might want to check how the butterflies are affecting them.

In particular, these studios were founded by former Sunrise staff:

Bones (Since 2000)
Manglobe (Since 2003)
A-1 Pictures (Since 2006)
Bridge (Since 2007)

 

[HonestAbe1809]

Didn't you guys have Joel Shumacher talk about Batman Forever? What happened to that film?