Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

[Roger Redux]

TV Tie-ins?

Did you ever tell us what the second TTL Nintendo tie-in cartoon was? You mentioned Jewels of the Realm but what was the other? Or did they decide not to make a second? With the increased popularity of RPGs would we see a Final Fantasy or Phantasy Star animated series? Will the Japanese Sonic OVA (released in the west as Sonic the Hedgehog: the Movie w/ a hilariously bad English dub) last more than just the 2 episodes? Will a UK animation studio make their own Sonic series based on Sonic The Comic? Will tie-in cartoons as a whole die out now that they can put story, dialogue, and voice acting in the games themselves?

 

[flydeath]

Yea I figured as much, well then lets start hypothesizing how powerful the guts are going to be.
Here is another good question who will provide the gpu for the UNES, its not silicon graphics this time around, will it be a prototype 3dfx chip or some other developer, wait will it be as powerful as the Panasonic M2?
Because apparently it was 2-3 times more than that of the N64 otl and it was scheduled to release in the 1996 to 1997 time period. Will 3do try to make Panasonic m2 or will they cut their losses and remain third party?
Finally will the proprietary cd used in the UNES be like the ill fated double sided cd rom witch rated at about 1.3gb made by Sony?

 

[Nivek]

Did you ever tell us what the second TTL Nintendo tie-in cartoon was? You mentioned Jewels of the Realm but what was the other? Or did they decide not to make a second? With the increased popularity of RPGs would we see a Final Fantasy or Phantasy Star animated series? Will the Japanese Sonic OVA (released in the west as Sonic the Hedgehog: the Movie w/ a hilariously bad English dub) last more than just the 2 episodes? Will a UK animation studio make their own Sonic series based on Sonic The Comic? Will tie-in cartoons as a whole die out now that they can put story, dialogue, and voice acting in the games themselves?

You've ideas? remember certain game OTL was techically an anime in motion in snes, and those would be good ideas too. if you've developed those pretty well too and will be full credited for it.

And Again Sonic X was post Adventure and still was a pretty good series(did loss quality with time but that was natural, and Chris did little to be beloved and much be hated for the fans)

Yea I figured as much, well then lets start hypothesizing how powerful the guts are going to be.
Here is another good question who will provide the gpu for the UNES, its not silicon graphics this time around, will it be a prototype 3dfx chip or some other developer, wait will it be as powerful as the Panasonic M2?
Because apparently it was 2-3 times more than that of the N64 otl and it was scheduled to release in the 1996 to 1997 time period. Will 3do try to make Panasonic m2 or will they cut their losses and remain third party?
Finally will the proprietary cd used in the UNES be like the ill fated double sided cd rom witch rated at about 1.3gb made by Sony?

Umm you refer this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-density_compact_disc ummm(take notes)

And About M2...didn't panasonic got cold feet because OTL market? even with N-S being one side, Sega in other, depend, maybe NS being bigger threat would make them walk out?

 

[Nevermore]

And About M2...didn't panasonic got cold feet because OTL market? even with N-S being one side, Sega in other, depend, maybe NS being bigger threat would make them walk out?

It's very hard to say if Panasonic continuing their presence in the console space would be doable. I don't know much about the development of the M2 (other than Panasonic eventually pulled the plug because they felt that they didn't want to compete with Sony or Nintendo OTL; Sega wasn't factored into this equation as the M2 would've completely outstripped the Saturn in terms of strength - the only other system being even somewhat comparable was the N64 at the time - or the market presence of the PlayStation) but you can find some info here. Considering that we have a much stronger Sega ITTL with what's basically an N64 as well as Nintendo/Sony going to be putting out something even more powerful than that, I could see them abandoning the M2 concept even earlier in development. It seems that the deal of buying the M2 technology from 3DO Company was something very spur of the moment OTL and even originated in some sort of scam involving a fishing cannery in South America (or something?). Not quite as crazy as the Gizmondo being tied to the Swedish Mafia, but still pretty bizarre. You can see photos of the actual hardware on Digital Press. They show off the controller that blatantly ripped off Nintendo's (though it looks slightly more comfortable) and even some tech demo screenshots.

It does strike me, though, that the fact the console market is currently a duopoly (effectively) right now that there are sure to be third party companies who don't like chafing under Sony's/Nintendo's or Sega's dominance. Any newcomer would be welcome, I'd think. I'm really curious if Steve Jobs, mentioned a while back, about the time "not being right" (or something to that effect) for Apple to enter the video game market with the aborted Pippin ITTL is a hint at things to come. You guys did mention you had plans for Apple in Player Two Start, after all...

 

[Roger Redux]

And Again Sonic X was post Adventure and still was a pretty good series(did loss quality with time but that was natural, and Chris did little to be beloved and much be hated for the fans)

Well, to be fair, Sonic X (much like the aforementioned Sonic the Movie) was royally botched in the localization; both were much better in Japanese with subtitles. Frakkin' Chris though, eesh; at least his mom was hot though.

Not quite as crazy as the Gizmondo being tied to the Swedish Mafia, but still pretty bizarre.

Wait, there's a Swedish Mafia!? Does that mean that IKEA really IS out to conquor the world?!

 

[Nivek]

It's very hard to say if Panasonic continuing their presence in the console space would be doable. I don't know much about the development of the M2 (other than Panasonic eventually pulled the plug because they felt that they didn't want to compete with Sony or Nintendo OTL; Sega wasn't factored into this equation as the M2 would've completely outstripped the Saturn in terms of strength - the only other system being even somewhat comparable was the N64 at the time - or the market presence of the PlayStation) but you can find some info here. Considering that we have a much stronger Sega ITTL with what's basically an N64 as well as Nintendo/Sony going to be putting out something even more powerful than that, I could see them abandoning the M2 concept even earlier in development. It seems that the deal of buying the M2 technology from 3DO Company was something very spur of the moment OTL and even originated in some sort of scam involving a fishing cannery in South America (or something?). Not quite as crazy as the Gizmondo being tied to the Swedish Mafia, but still pretty bizarre. You can see photos of the actual hardware on Digital Press. They show off the controller that blatantly ripped off Nintendo's (though it looks slightly more comfortable) and even some tech demo screenshots.

It does strike me that, though, that the fact the console market is currently a duopoly (effectively) right now that there are sure to be third party companies who don't like chafing under Sony's/Nintendo's or Sega's dominance. Any newcomer would be welcome, I'd think. I'm really curious if Steve Jobs, mentioned a while back, about the time "not being right" (or something to that effect) for Apple to enter the video game market with the aborted Pippin ITTL is a hint at things to come. You guys did mention you had plans for Apple in Player Two Start, after all...

WTF, the history of M2 was just insane, that explain why trip hawking is running away from IRS, seems 3DO have their skeleton of the closet(pretty timeline worthy on their own), let's say that Panasonic(Or M2) business will not end fishing in my continent here,

About Apple, Pacience, OTL Apple and Jobs both wanted non traditional business venture(like electrical cars nowadays) but Pippin was a pretty burn and old shame, again butterflies flap and mae stuf change, and yeah when market is duopoly, again if a company have issue with NS would goes with SEGA and viceversa, you've to be a giant dick to be in issue with both(Nvidia and EA appart).

Well, to be fair, Sonic X (much like the aforementioned Sonic the Movie) was royally botched in the localization; both were much better in Japanese with subtitles. Frakkin' Chris though, eesh; at least his mom was hot though.

Well, the latin american trasnaltion not suffer that bad(we latin import directly from japan with exceptions) and yeah Chris was meh, but have been worse(cfocfofcofcfoc)

Some ideas or suggestions? are always welcomed, just PM both to knew which ones are.

 

[flydeath]

Well if you want ideas on the counts of the UNES R4400 CPU you could go balls to the wall and give it a 150-250 mhz model made by NEC or Toshiba and really go all out on the design, Sony promised to alleviate some of the manufacturing cost on the UNES, so lets put that to good use, I still don't know on what GPU to put in it though? any ideas?

 

[flydeath]

On another note, what are you going to do with the gameboy and of course the virtualboy will we be seeing a the color sooner, will it come with a 16 bit cpu, maybe a offshoot of z80 like the z180 or z280 witch I know both are backwards compatible with the z80.
Will the dreaded virtual boy be created and market off to consumers, or will it be a future add on to say the UNES or maybe the the next gen console after that?

 

[RySenkari]

On another note, what are you going to do with the gameboy and of course the virtualboy will we be seeing a the color sooner, will it come with a 16 bit cpu, maybe a offshoot of z80 like the z180 or z280 witch I know both are backwards compatible with the z80.
Will the dreaded virtual boy be created and market off to consumers, or will it be a future add on to say the UNES or maybe the the next gen console after that?

The Virtual Boy is totally butterflied away, it's gone, won't ever happen ITTL. As for the Gameboy, there MAY be some developments on that front... you'll have to stay tuned to find out.

 

[Nivek]

On another note, what are you going to do with the gameboy and of course the virtualboy will we be seeing a the color sooner, will it come with a 16 bit cpu, maybe a offshoot of z80 like the z180 or z280 witch I know both are backwards compatible with the z80.
Will the dreaded virtual boy be created and market off to consumers, or will it be a future add on to say the UNES or maybe the the next gen console after that?

Handleds are a universe different all together, as Gameboy keep competitive thanks to low price and long battery life, obviously nintendo is thinking a sucessor but with DKL selling millons of copies in the short term, nintendo will think a little later, when both colour and batery life can be in a good synergy.

Virtual boy was butterfly away(not need to compete with PS1 in first year, and simple SNES-CD put all Nintendo working with that at the time, put VB sidelines and almost irrelavant at the time) so Yokoi is thinking in new ideas, handleds are one, games are other.

Edit, wow dual posting with RY.

 

[flydeath]

Hey any idea on the controller designs for both the Saturn and UNES, what type of controller will they use, will the UNES adopt a PlayStation N64 hybrid thing, would it have 6 face buttons as they are well seen in the sega controllers how many joysticks will they have, Will the Saturn have that gigantic 3d controller or will squeeze a joystick on their smaller controllers, and speaking of the Saturn will it have 2 or 4 controller ports?

 

[James1996]

Actually if the UNES is backwards compatible with the SNES then maybe it's controller well be more like the SNES's just with two analog thumb sticks's. Maybe like a OTL Wii Classic Controller those things are pretty much SNES controllers with two analog thumb stick's and two analog L and R bumpers. Something like a OTL Wii Classic Controller would have been pretty darn cool back in 1997... it's just a thought.

 

[flydeath]

to tell you the truth i'd still like to have a full on abc xyz on the UNES controller but your right on the classic controller layout maybe a further hybrid like classic controller pro. I have however been looking at the prototype ps1 controllers and some of them do look pretty crazy.
here are some links
http://gourgangeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/playstation-prototype-controllers.jpg

the one bellow is my personal favorite maybe when I get a 3d printer I can make one fro my self hehe.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...l_progressive,q_80,w_636/18j1i9otcqgg1jpg.jpg

maybe add an analog stick or 2, a start and select, fix the d pad and it be perfect, just a thought?

 

[Nivek]

Hey any idea on the controller designs for both the Saturn and UNES, what type of controller will they use, will the UNES adopt a PlayStation N64 hybrid thing, would it have 6 face buttons as they are well seen in the sega controllers how many joysticks will they have, Will the Saturn have that gigantic 3d controller or will squeeze a joystick on their smaller controllers, and speaking of the Saturn will it have 2 or 4 controller ports?

Actually if the UNES is backwards compatible with the SNES then maybe it's controller well be more like the SNES's just with two analog thumb sticks's. Maybe like a OTL Wii Classic Controller those things are pretty much SNES controllers with two analog thumb stick's and two analog L and R bumpers. Something like a OTL Wii Classic Controller would have been pretty darn cool back in 1997... it's just a thought.

Saturn will be OTL,for me both otl Pad were pretty good and see not reason which butterflies would change that(just that sega will brag about their analogue stick here,xd).

About UNES, both raised good proposal for the joystick but jasmes 1996 liked it more, make a lot of sense, just need a little extra(handles like OTL 64 and dualshock) or other, but thanks for the ideas.

 

[Unknown]

At least the Oklahoma City bombing was averted.

Waiting for more, of course...

 

[flydeath]

how do you save games on the snes cd, is their a memory card, like on otl ps1 or does it use the cartridge slot to save games?

 

[James1996]

Good Question.

 

[Nivek]

how do you save games on the snes cd, is their a memory card, like on otl ps1 or does it use the cartridge slot to save games?

That is, Sony won money with those cards, when in theory they would make more making save big, they keep it regulated but if you're a rpg fan..you will need multiples ones. That is a way they keep that propertary format and in general is pretty useful.

 

[James1996]

The UNES controller could always look something like this. (minus the holder for the wii remote on the bottem)

 

[James1996]

Here's the back side of it. (again minus the wii remote holder on the bottem)