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Interesting update. Glad that the anime gets some sort of character development.

Do Skateray and Rivitor have OTL counterparts?
 
Good update. Like the Selena part.

One nitpick: isn't that supposed to be January 2000, instead of 1998?

Again, good update. The 2000 Republican primaries are approaching...

Manning vs. Brady in the Super Bowl ITTL? The ratings are going to be high. BTW, could you butterfly away Steve McNair's death at the hands of his mistress?
 
Good update. Like the Selena part.

One nitpick: isn't that supposed to be January 2000, instead of 1998?

Again, good update. The 2000 Republican primaries are approaching...

The Famitsu article was about the Japanese arcade release of Ridge Racer 2, which was in early 1998.
 
Good update. Like the Selena part.

One nitpick: isn't that supposed to be January 2000, instead of 1998?

Again, good update. The 2000 Republican primaries are approaching...

All those 1998 mentions because much of games are sequels of 1998 games tha tis about and 1998 QB duology(who face off in NFC Championship series)

Edit: Ninja'd by Ry,jejejeje
 
Hmmm... realized that you have a Gym Leader named Josh.

Given Gym Leader names are related to the type of Pokémon they use, I'm trying to think which type he would specialize in. Fighting probably.

So the anime will shift to a new protagonist for the Sun and Moon season, with a more serious tone. Hopefully there would be still lighthearted silly episodes. Wonder if the new protag will have his own Pikachu.
 


The Rock Wins Royal Rumble, Will Be In Main Event At Wrestlemania

The 30-man Royal Rumble was won by The Rock, who tossed Stone Cold Steve Austin over the top rope to claim victory in the main event match. The two men had previously teamed up to eliminate the massive Big Show, before engaging in a brutal three minute brawl that eventually saw The Rock counter a Stone Cold Stunner and reverse it into a flip that sent Austin out of the ring.

Both men had plenty of reasons to want to win the Rumble, as the prize, a title shot at Wrestlemania, would allow them to face off against the current champion Triple H. Triple H, who beat Mick Foley's alter ego Cactus Jack to retain his title in the other main event, has been ruling the WWF with an iron fist as part of the “McMahon-Helmsley Organization”, which formed after Triple H married the daughter of WWF's CEO Vince McMahon. The Organization's first target was Stone Cold Steve Austin, who'd been holding the championship since winning it off of Owen Hart at Summerslam 1999. Triple H gave himself a title match against Austin on the Monday Night Raw after Armageddon, and with the aid of a number of wrestlers and Stephanie McMahon, managed to screw Austin out of the title, leaving the Rattlesnake itching for revenge. The Organization then colluded to prevent Austin from getting a rematch, instead forcing him to earn it in the Royal Rumble. Meanwhile, the Rock and Triple H have been taking a number of verbal shots at each other over the past several months, and Triple H's wrath has recently come down on Mick Foley, one of the Rock's best friends. Now, it seems, The Rock will face Triple H at Wrestlemania 2000, though Stone Cold Steve Austin certainly looks to factor into the equation somehow, and likely won't take being denied a rematch for his title lying down. He looks to be on the warpath on tonight's Raw, and it'll be interesting to see whether he goes after the Organization first, or The Rock.

-update from a wrestling news site, January 24, 2000


So am I right to assume that the Radicals didn't jump ship to the e and Kevin Sullivan has not become head booker of WCW?
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Great update as usual! I'm really going to miss GameTV when it ends, this update's segment in particular was really funny. It makes me wish it was real show that I could look up episodes of on Youtube or Hulu or something.

Is the announcer in Ridge Racer 2 the voice as OTL's Hydro Thunder? Speaking of which, what is
Hydro Thunder's status ITTL? I love that game (arcade and Dreamcast)!
 
Do Skateray and Rivitor have OTL counterparts?

Skateray is a more sleek and aggressive Mantine (which got butterflied away). Rivitor is a Steel/Fighting Pokemon that's kind of like a construction-worker Machop and has two more evolutions.

Manning vs. Brady in the Super Bowl ITTL? The ratings are going to be high. BTW, could you butterfly away Steve McNair's death at the hands of his mistress?

Yeah, McNair isn't dying ITTL. Well, not as of 2016 anyway.

Hmmm... realized that you have a Gym Leader named Josh.

Given Gym Leader names are related to the type of Pokémon they use, I'm trying to think which type he would specialize in. Fighting probably.

Correct, Josh is a fighting type Gym Leader.

So the anime will shift to a new protagonist for the Sun and Moon season, with a more serious tone. Hopefully there would be still lighthearted silly episodes. Wonder if the new protag will have his own Pikachu.

There'll be more silly episodes, don't worry. It's not grimdark or anything like that XD

And the protagonist will have a Marill.


So am I right to assume that the Radicals didn't jump ship to the e and Kevin Sullivan has not become head booker of WCW?

The Radicalz haven't jumped YET, but might still go to WWF, it'd just be later than IOTL.

Kevin Sullivan isn't head booker of WCW as of January 2000 ITTL.

Is the announcer in Ridge Racer 2 the voice as OTL's Hydro Thunder? Speaking of which, what is Hydro Thunder's status ITTL? I love that game (arcade and Dreamcast)!

Nope, it's someone else, a more arcadey-sounding voice. And as for Hydro Thunder, it's arcade only as of right now. It may not show up on consoles until the Katana.
 
A dark horse in the shonen genre, and one increasingly gaining in popularity, is Bullheart, a manga about a young man named Soba who has trained to become a champion bullfighter, only to form a companionship with the bull he is scheduled to kill during his first fight. In Bullheart, bullfighting is a rite of passage in his society, with fighters slaying bulls in order to absorb their souls and gain their power. Because Soba refuses to slaughter bulls, it seems that he will remain weak, but through friendship with his bull companion (who does not talk, but communicates through a series of comical expressions and exaggerated noises), Soba gains spiritual energy and is able to defend himself against those who seek to uphold the current ways. Bullheart is gaining in popularity, and though it trails behind Naruto in popularity polls, it has a very vocal and active fanbase, and is becoming one of Shonen Jump's most popular series.

Hmm, you guys are going to have to explain further to me why this is getting popular. I'm not really seeing what the hook is for this series that would catch SJ's demographic this hard. Shounen series with better hooks and settings that are just as exotic have gotten cut short (see Mx0 and Double Arts, for example).

Oh, and after we finish the conversation on Bullheart I probably won't be posting anymore. Nintendo of America's current censorship bullshit has annoyed me to the point that I can't even stand to look at anything where NoA is doing well, no matter if it's fictional or if it's well-written, as with your great timeline.
 
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Oh, and after we finish the conversation on Bullheart I probably won't be posting anymore. Nintendo of America's current censorship bullshit has annoyed me to the point that I can't even stand to look at anything where NoA is doing well, no matter if it's fictional or if it's well-written, as with your great timeline.

Don't blame Nintendo blame Tumblr, internet forums and SJW(Or as South Park called it the Pussy crushers) and the new political corectness mania who is in the air, is a shame Fates is getting cute for idiocy reasons(Soleil is a joke characther, about a joke how a girl is more sucessful with girls that his dad, duh. Fire Emblem Amie being ditched out is awful) but that is the sin of modern day 'social media culture' this TL being published in another forum would have been trolled hard.
 
Don't blame Nintendo blame Tumblr, internet forums and SJW(Or as South Park called it the Pussy crushers) and the new political corectness mania who is in the air, is a shame Fates is getting cute for idiocy reasons(Soleil is a joke characther, about a joke how a girl is more sucessful with girls that his dad, duh. Fire Emblem Amie being ditched out is awful) but that is the sin of modern day 'social media culture' this TL being published in another forum would have been trolled hard.

Oh, I solely lay the blame on NoA, not Nintendo Co., Ltd. Makes me wish all English versions were translated by Nintendo of Europe. Plus, the cuts wouldn't piss me off so much if they'd stick in something equivalent. For example, the cut costumes in Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water got replacements with Peach and ZS Samus costumes that actually had effort put in them. Equivalent exchange, so not as annoying.

Compare with Xenoblade Chronicles X. I thought when they said they were going to censor Lin's costumes they were going to do a similar replacement such as in Fatal Frame (like the bunny costume for Lin being replaced by a full-on bunny mascot costume, which would have been funny and cute). Instead we get poorly edited costumes that just look ugly, to the point where one comparison picture of the fundoshi costume was thought to be a fake and was a sucky Photoshop...except it was really how the edited costume looks.

In the end the censorship was pointless because one of the risque costumes for Lin was still uncensored and the reason for removing the breast slider for female avatars (to prevent players from making an avatar with the same body size as Lin) was found to be false because Lin has a unique model and the customization for female avatars, including the breast slider, can't be set to match Lin's model. Plus all that time spent editing could have been spent fixing the actual issues that affect enjoyment for everyone (the Affinity Screen freezing bug, the background music drowning out dialogue in cutscenes, the crashes that happen to some users, etc.). If that laziness and incompetence is what I have to look forward to with FE: Fates' English version, then NoA can burn in hell.

Also, I sure as hell don't want to grind support points for the characters! That Amie thingy could have saved a lot of time!
 
Xenoblade X glitch were supposed to be 8-4 fault if certain people is true and the same with the decission of censorship did was guess what...Neogaf and tumblr whinning(should see the former, they're popping chamapgne about fates FE-Amie now) and FF did was full nintendo in-house(or treehouse,xd)

Fates is nintendo fault and i'll be hold for that, but again they're just avoid bad publicity as any public trade company, have people not whinned as freddie mercury say it

So not leave otl actions change your enjoyment ITTL(for me have not do it at all).

And Nintend of Europe is not saint, they were far worse with trasnlation in the past(i used to buy europeans copies before learning english and they butchered in a lot of languages too).

So yeah new age censorship is awful, but blame SJW creed about it and not allow to enjoy of this TL buddy.
 
All I can say is, some people are way too invested in certain things it makes me wonder what their priorities are.

I hate to say it, but the above rant sounds like a cynical death wish for Nintendo (or rather Nintendo should fail and go third party and fade into obscurity). It's too damn depressing to read and realize how well... unforgiving people can be for the even the slight 'injustice'.

Never forgive. Never forget. Never let go of their hatred. Forgiveness isn't a virtue worth pursuing. Revenge and punishment is.

Gah.... maybe I'm a bit to attached to the whole matter. Let's discuss this timeline instead of whether the decisions of our world's Nintendo define who we are.

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And the protagonist will have a Marill.

I wonder how putting Marill as the face of the 2nd generation will fare, and will that mean for Pikachu in terms of being the face of the franchise. OTL you have things like "Hey You, Pikachu!" and "Pikachu Channel" games for consoles, and continued Pikachu appearances in Smash. Or the upcoming Detective Pikachu game. Will they try to downplay Pikachu in the second gen or will it still be visible?

Then again, considering OTL, many first generation Pokémon are very much popular with the fanbase to this very day. It'll be hard for any Pokémon to take over Pikachu's position.

That leaves the anime adapting Sun and Moon. I guess they're hoping the anime can stand on its own without Pikachu being the main Pokémon. They would be like Pokémon Adventures/Special manga in this manner, as none of the protags after the first gen heroes have Pikachu on their teams. That leaves the movies though with their Pikachu shorts, unless those shorts don't exist.

I do also wonder if the fact that Sato saw what it OTL's Ho-oh will play a role in Sun and Moon's plot. I should have suggested that for the "The New Land" intern series (which tbh it not a good subtitle to use given technically the regions and the Pokemon that inhabited there always existed, and that there would be other regions with their Pokémon to come in the future...)
 
Hmm, you guys are going to have to explain further to me why this is getting popular. I'm not really seeing what the hook is for this series that would catch SJ's demographic this hard. Shounen series with better hooks and settings that are just as exotic have gotten cut short (see Mx0 and Double Arts, for example).

Well, the artist does some really good fight scenes, and the series also has some very popular side characters, in addition to Soba himself being quite popular. I admit, I was struggling to come up with something for this part but didn't want to just post a straight-up list of what manga are popular in OTL 1999 ^_^;;;

Oh, and after we finish the conversation on Bullheart I probably won't be posting anymore. Nintendo of America's current censorship bullshit has annoyed me to the point that I can't even stand to look at anything where NoA is doing well, no matter if it's fictional or if it's well-written, as with your great timeline.

A lot of the stuff they took out of Xenoblade and Fire Emblem wasn't too terribly consequential. I do absolutely agree that it should have at least been made available as free DLC, but Nintendo doesn't want to risk kids going onto the eShop and downloading it anyway. Blame parents who don't want to take five minutes of effort to use parental controls on their kids' game consoles, not SJWs. Nintendo's way more scared of soccer moms than they are of SJWs.
 
All I can say is, some people are way too invested in certain things it makes me wonder what their priorities are.

I hate to say it, but the above rant sounds like a cynical death wish for Nintendo (or rather Nintendo should fail and go third party and fade into obscurity). It's too damn depressing to read and realize how well... unforgiving people can be for the even the slight 'injustice'.

Never forgive. Never forget. Never let go of their hatred. Forgiveness isn't a virtue worth pursuing. Revenge and punishment is.

Gah.... maybe I'm a bit to attached to the whole matter. Let's discuss this timeline instead of whether the decisions of our world's Nintendo define who we are.

Oh nice, how about you actually read and see my main point that I'd like Nintendo of America to actually put EFFORT and QUALITY WORK in what they're doing with localization instead of half-assing shit. Or maybe I should make assumptions like you and say you're fine with them being lazy about things and putting out sub-par results? Seriously, do you find it enjoyable to have to difficulty reading in-game text or to not hear what the heck characters are saying in cutscenes? Or the game freezing when you try to do stuff? This isn't minor stuff like you're saying (and I mentioned that in my posts, making it clear you didn't even read it) this is basic gameplay stuff players shouldn't have to worry about!
 
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Oh nice, how about you actually read and see my main point that I'd like Nintendo of America to actually put EFFORT and QUALITY WORK in what they're doing with localization instead of half-assing shit. Or maybe I should make assumptions like you and say you're fine with them being lazy about things and not actually putting out sub-par results? Seriously, do you find it enjoyable to have to difficulty reading in-game text or to not hear what the heck characters are saying in cutscenes? Or the game freezing when you try to do stuff? This isn't minor stuff like you're saying (and I mentioned that in my posts, making it clear you didn't even read it) this is basic gameplay stuff players shouldn't have to worry about!

They definitely do need to patch the text size and let us quiet the music, I don't know why they won't patch in fixes to those issues but I enjoyed the game regardless. It's certainly not a reason to totally write off Nintendo considering all the good stuff they've done. The Paper Jam localization was fantastic.
 
They definitely do need to patch the text size and let us quiet the music, I don't know why they won't patch in fixes to those issues but I enjoyed the game regardless. It's certainly not a reason to totally write off Nintendo considering all the good stuff they've done. The Paper Jam localization was fantastic.

They also need to fix the freezes and those crashes people keep posting about. But based off of the comments of that one Treehouse guy that got fired for talking on a podcast about XBX's localization, they're not going to patch because a) NoA wants to spend as little money on XBX as possible b) NoA doesn't give a shit about JRPGs that don't involve their big franchises. The latter I'm definitely willing to believe because of Operation Rainfall.

As for Bullheart, those are good reasons, but I think for the fight scenes you guys should make the reason for the enjoyable fight scenes be because of the bull partner. Have it be because the partner is a lot more active and dynamic in the fights, making it look very innovative compared to its fellow shounen manga at that time due to the much more dynamic animal companion. I mean, in Naruto for example we only see Kiba and Akamaru in the Chuunin Exam arc. Bullheart's fights compared to the Kiba/Akamaru fights (and the animal summon fights) would be like comparing a Studio Madhouse animated fight scene with one by Hannah Barbera at their lowest point. That might keep it popular enough to stay on the SJ reader polls and thus prevent it from getting cut.
 
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Seems if did Nintendo goes cheap shame on you? if was 8-4 fault and both side are passing the balls? shame on both too, again seems Xeno X is the issue with japan optimized games(yet Monhun 4 solved all issues 3U have in 3ds....)

Bullheart that help and give that unique feels, maybe would be in the short side but make a memorable impact(like 666 satan...i think i was the only one liked that manga?)
 
Oh nice, how about you actually read and see my main point that I'd like Nintendo of America to actually put EFFORT and QUALITY WORK in what they're doing with localization instead of half-assing shit. Or maybe I should make assumptions like you and say you're fine with them being lazy about things and not actually putting out sub-par results? Seriously, do you find it enjoyable to have to difficulty reading in-game text or to not hear what the heck characters are saying in cutscenes? Or the game freezing when you try to do stuff? This isn't minor stuff like you're saying (and I mentioned that in my posts, making it clear you didn't even read it) this is basic gameplay stuff players shouldn't have to worry about!

It was more on the whole Fire Emblem Fates and censorship matter than the glitches of Xenoblade X, which I might add I haven't played. With other people online, not you, claiming to drop/boycott Nintendo entirely over the matter, so it all blurred together. And you did say you were going to drop this thread because of the whole censorship thing.
 
It was more on the whole Fire Emblem Fates and censorship matter than the glitches of Xenoblade X, which I might add I haven't played. With other people online, not you, claiming to drop/boycott Nintendo entirely over the matter, so it all blurred together. And you did say you were going to drop this thread because of the whole censorship thing.

After I finish the conversation about Bullheart with Nivek and RySenkari, as I stated in the first post. That's not exactly telling me you read it.
 
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