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Depending on how severe the damage was, this could really kick Universal and/or Disney in the teeth. At that time IOTL, Universal's Islands of Adventure had been officially open for less than four months, and Disney's Animal Kingdom for about a year and a half. Now either or both may have to be rebuilt in whole or part, and likewise with Universal Studios Florida, Disney/MGM Studios (as it then was), EPCOT and the Magic Kingdom.

(And mentioning IoA gets me wondering: was Marvel Super Hero Island affected by butterflies from Fox's acquisition of Marvel?)

Did Fox have an alliance with a theme park or was even interested in one? if not, i think they would still licensed it out to universal, those are up to universal money and would be nice exposure their newly adquire IP, so doubt major butterflies for now(at this point).

Well, even them they would just rebuilt it, hope insurance cover it, the dangers of the raining season, those are too big to loss it so fast and would give the bad impact if left down by that.
 
Meanwhile, in Tokyo, Sega had exactly the kind of show they should've had at E3... and I still came away from it thinking they're in trouble.”
-John Davison, editor-in-chief, Official Saturn Magazine, in an article on the OSM website, October 1, 1999

I know this is the opinion of one man well before the console's release, but I couldn't help feel a bit of a chill as a Sega fan. Though the Gamespot summary left me on a note of optimism. Sega may be struggling, but they haven't lost their mojo when it comes to making quality games.
 
Meanwhile, in Tokyo, Sega had exactly the kind of show they should've had at E3... and I still came away from it thinking they're in trouble.”
-John Davison, editor-in-chief, Official Saturn Magazine, in an article on the OSM website, October 1, 1999
I know this is the opinion of one man well before the console's release, but I couldn't help feel a bit of a chill as a Sega fan. Though the Gamespot summary left me on a note of optimism. Sega may be struggling, but they haven't lost their mojo when it comes to making quality games.
I know, so did I; but then I thought:

Meanwhile, in Tokyo, Sega had exactly the kind of show they should've had at E3... and I still came away from it thinking they're in trouble....
...and then Microsoft came out with the "Xbox", and suddenly the opposite was true.
 
I just wondered: How is Newgrounds doing ITTL? I mean, just to start with, Pico, one of their main mascots, was first created for Pico's School, a game inspired by Columbine. With Columbine having far less casualties ITTL, there might be no Pico at all.
 
...and then Microsoft came out with the "Xbox", and suddenly the opposite was true.

I might need to ask you to clarify/elaborate on that because of a general lack of sleep the past couple days. Did you mean that Sega will be in deeper trouble?
 
I might need to ask you to clarify/elaborate on that because of a general lack of sleep the past couple days. Did you mean that Sega will be in deeper trouble?
No, I meant SEGA would be in less trouble, because now Nintendo would have a second challenger (and one they know little about at that) to worry about. So with SEGA's new Katana coming out AND the Xbox, the Ultra is going to be not-so-impressive-anymore real quick.

Now go get some rest, you know you want to. :)
 
Shirei/Peasant Woman/Avatar: The main player character of the game, a young peasant woman who survives by robbery and mugging. A pariah throughout the realm, she is in reality the princess of Obscura, the realm featured in the game. Her birthright was stolen from her and she was cast out and forced to live as a peasant. When she tries to mug Ralke, the rebel leader, he inspires her to lead his army to retake Obscura. She wields a sword and powerful dark magic in combat.

SoD broken, an FE with ONLY a female lead selling well in Japan in the late 90s? Even Radiant Dawn OTL still had to split leads of different genders between chapters.
 
I know, so did I; but then I thought:

...and then Microsoft came out with the "Xbox", and suddenly the opposite was true.

No, I meant SEGA would be in less trouble, because now Nintendo would have a second challenger (and one they know little about at that) to worry about. So with SEGA's new Katana coming out AND the Xbox, the Ultra is going to be not-so-impressive-anymore real quick.

Now go get some rest, you know you want to. :)

But Katana and Xbox will not be competition Ultra(well in theory did like genesis tgx-16 were) but against what will bring nintendo up the table 'next gen'...
 
Florida resident here, and wow. I can see two butterflies right away from this. First, I think it's pretty much certain at this point that Gore is gonna win the 2000 Presidential election, given Florida's infamous role in deciding that race. Here, the success of the Floyd relief effort is undoubtedly going to tip the state into the Democratic column.

Second, as someone who held an annual pass to Universal Orlando until this past November, and knows a thing or two about the parks in Central Florida (though I can't call myself an expert), I second everyone who's been suggesting that butterflies are gonna clobber Orlando tourism hard. The paint was still drying on Universal's Islands of Adventure, and much of it is gonna be a total loss as it's rebuilt. (I also think it goes without saying that Halloween Horror Nights IX is officially canceled.) On the other hand, Disney doesn't get off so easy either, as they spent the '90s pouring money into new attractions at Disney World during the Eisner era (especially Disney-MGM Studios and the Animal Kingdom, the latter of which opened the year prior) that have also taken heavy damage in the storm. With such huge investments at both parks that have gone up in smoke, I see both Disney World and Universal Orlando falling into Dork Ages in the early '00s as they struggle to rebuild. It'll be like the post-9/11 tourism slump that hammered the Orlando economy, only on a greater scale given that the cause of this slump was something that happened in their own backyard.

The only question is which theme park is gonna be seen as having fallen harder. Honestly? My money's on Disney World taking a harder hit, because the larger resort is gonna cost more to rebuild, because the Walt Disney Company relied on Disney World far more than Universal Studios relied on Universal Orlando, and most importantly, because this couldn't have happened at a worse time for the Walt Disney Company. The Disney Renaissance was coming to an end around 1999 in OTL, and I don't see why it shouldn't in TTL either. In fact, Floyd may well be seen in hindsight as having played some role in ending TTL's Renaissance; any film that Disney was working on at their Orlando animation studio has likely undergone a serious delay in production, one that's bound to impact the quality of the finished product. This is only gonna play into the rise of Pixar and computer animation in general in the '00s. Disney as a whole is gonna spend at least the early '00s in a world of hurt, with the Renaissance period ending and their lucrative Orlando resort in need of what's likely to be a lot of money in refurbishment. Their rise into the entertainment juggernaut that they are today has almost certainly been butterflied.

Universal, however, might smell blood in the water. Having to rebuild a resort like Universal Orlando that was still finding its footing is gonna hurt their bottom line far less than having to rebuild a well-established mega-resort like Walt Disney World that was both far more lucrative and formed a bigger chunk of not only its competitor's profits, but its identity. Plus, the Orlando resort hadn't yet become Universal's flagship theme park; the Hollywood studio park still was. All told, Universal's in a far better position to get its resort back up and running at something close to normal operation (just in time for the 10th anniversary celebration, at that) than Disney is, and they are going to recognize that, especially if Floyd marks the beginning of serious long-term problems at Disney.
 
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Florida resident here, and wow. I can see two butterflies right away from this. First, I think it's pretty much certain at this point that Gore is gonna win the 2000 Presidential election, given Florida's infamous role in deciding that race. Here, the success of the Floyd relief effort is undoubtedly going to tip the state into the Democratic column.

Second, as someone who held an annual pass to Universal Orlando until this past November, and knows a thing or two about the parks in Central Florida (though I can't call myself an expert), I second everyone who's been suggesting that butterflies are gonna clobber Orlando tourism hard. The paint was still drying on Universal's Islands of Adventure, and much of it is gonna be a total loss as it's rebuilt. (I also think it goes without saying that Halloween Horror Nights IX is officially canceled.) On the other hand, Disney doesn't get off so easy either, as they spent the '90s pouring money into new attractions at Disney World during the Eisner era (especially Disney-MGM Studios and the Animal Kingdom, the latter of which opened the year prior) that have also taken heavy damage in the storm. With such huge investments at both parks that have gone up in smoke, I see both Disney World and Universal Orlando falling into Dork Ages in the early '00s as they struggle to rebuild. It'll be like the post-9/11 tourism slump that hammered the Orlando economy, only on a greater scale given that the cause of this slump was something that happened in their own backyard.

The only question is which theme park is gonna be seen as having fallen harder. Honestly? My money's on Disney World taking a harder hit, because the larger resort is gonna cost more to rebuild, because the Walt Disney Company relied on Disney World far more than Universal Studios relied on Universal Orlando, and most importantly, because this couldn't have happened at a worse time for the Walt Disney Company. The Disney Renaissance was coming to an end around 1999 in OTL, and I don't see why it shouldn't in TTL either. In fact, Floyd may well be seen in hindsight as having played some role in ending TTL's Renaissance; any film that Disney was working on at their Orlando animation studio has likely undergone a serious delay in production, one that's bound to impact the quality of the finished product. This is only gonna play into the rise of Pixar and computer animation in general in the '00s. Disney as a whole is gonna spend at least the early '00s in a world of hurt, with the Renaissance period ending and their lucrative Orlando resort in need of what's likely to be a lot of money in refurbishment. Their rise into the entertainment juggernaut that they are today has almost certainly been butterflied.

Universal, however, might smell blood in the water. Having to rebuild a resort like Universal Orlando that was still finding its footing is gonna hurt their bottom line far less than having to rebuild a well-established mega-resort like Walt Disney World that was both far more lucrative and formed a bigger chunk of not only its competitor's profits, but its identity. Plus, the Orlando resort hadn't yet become Universal's flagship theme park; the Hollywood studio park still was. All told, Universal's in a far better position to get its resort back up and running at something close to normal operation (just in time for the 10th anniversary celebration, at that) than Disney is, and they are going to recognize that, especially if Floyd marks the beginning of serious long-term problems at Disney.

That might result in them investing more money into the theme park to take advantage of Disney's weakness. There were plans for a ride based off of Steven King's stories. Maybe it gets built in TTL? I think I personally like Universal Studios Orlando better than the Magic Kingdom, as there's more for an adrenaline junkie to enjoy. I hope to read more about how the disaster affects the theme parks.
 
Oh, and just to let you guys know I'm working on my entries for Man of Tomorrow and Man of Steel.
 
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I know this is the opinion of one man well before the console's release, but I couldn't help feel a bit of a chill as a Sega fan. Though the Gamespot summary left me on a note of optimism. Sega may be struggling, but they haven't lost their mojo when it comes to making quality games.

We've got plenty of excellent Sega games planned, don't worry. Their 2000 lineup, while definitely smaller than 1999's, has a good amount of quality games.

I just wondered: How is Newgrounds doing ITTL? I mean, just to start with, Pico, one of their main mascots, was first created for Pico's School, a game inspired by Columbine. With Columbine having far less casualties ITTL, there might be no Pico at all.

No Pico, but Newgrounds still exists.

SoD broken, an FE with ONLY a female lead selling well in Japan in the late 90s? Even Radiant Dawn OTL still had to split leads of different genders between chapters.

I imagine the "girl power" trend of TTL has somewhat seeped over to Japan. The False Princess is controversial but it still does quite well over there. An excellent Famitsu review and a decent amount of media coverage helps.


Oh, absolutely. This is a blow to Disney and Universal. IOTL, Charley did some damage to Disney World in 2004, here's what went down:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-effects-of-hurricanes-on-wdw.866417/

And speaking of Charley, this is the kind of wind that Miami got hit by from TTL Floyd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unV5KcSrY-I

As for Disney's films, Kingdom of the Sun (not The Emperor's New Groove as IOTL) is still due for summer 2000. Dinosaur has been butterflied, though Disney will still start doing CGI films at some point down the road. Atlantis is still on track for a spring 2001 release. As for Disney's winter 2001 release (production of which might be affected by the hurricane), well...you'll be hearing more about it later.

Oh, and just to let you guys know I'm working on my entries for Man of Tomorrow and Man of Steel.

Awesome, we'll check them out soon. Keen 11 is coming out next month, BTW, we'll have something about it in the October update and then you can make your expanded post on it.
 
I imagine the "girl power" trend of TTL has somewhat seeped over to Japan. The False Princess is controversial but it still does quite well over there. An excellent Famitsu review and a decent amount of media coverage helps.

Sorry, RySenkari, but still unbelievable for me, girl power or no; after all, our Japan OTL already has a myriad of female leads in the girl power mold and that never changed having at least a male co-lead for the FE franchise. It's more that Japan is that enamored with the archetypes of FE, particularly the Marth saga, that if there's no expy of the two lords from the most popular games of the series as a co-MC (Marth, aka the original kindly and courageous Lord, and Sigurd, the archetype for the brash and confident leads such as Ike), that it just comes off as ASB that an FE would be that popular without them. Your PoD is already past the point where this would have changed.
 
As for Disney's films, Kingdom of the Sun (not The Emperor's New Groove as IOTL) is still due for summer 2000. Dinosaur has been butterflied, though Disney will still start doing CGI films at some point down the road. Atlantis is still on track for a spring 2001 release. As for Disney's winter 2001 release (production of which might be affected by the hurricane), well...you'll be hearing more about it later.

Fantastic! I have no doubt it'd be a classic. Especially if they keep Izma's amazing villain song.
 
Sorry, RySenkari, but still unbelievable for me, girl power or no; after all, our Japan OTL already has a myriad of female leads in the girl power mold and that never changed having at least a male co-lead for the FE franchise. It's more that Japan is that enamored with the archetypes of FE, particularly the Marth saga, that if there's no expy of the two lords from the most popular games of the series as a co-MC (Marth, aka the original kindly and courageous Lord, and Sigurd, the archetype for the brash and confident leads such as Ike), that it just comes off as ASB that an FE would be that popular without them. Your PoD is already past the point where this would have changed.

Mmm, maybe Ralke could have a bigger role, a couple solo missions perhaps? Or maybe the game is a slow burn, doesn't start out huge but as word of mouth spreads that it's good even bucking the Fire Emblem traditions, it sells a lot more later on?

I mean, sometimes things just succeed despite expectations. The Passion Of The Christ making $375 million domestic would've been ASB in a future TL written in 2003 too. :p
 
Mmm, maybe Ralke could have a bigger role, a couple solo missions perhaps? Or maybe the game is a slow burn, doesn't start out huge but as word of mouth spreads that it's good even bucking the Fire Emblem traditions, it sells a lot more later on?

I mean, sometimes things just succeed despite expectations. The Passion Of The Christ making $375 million domestic would've been ASB in a future TL written in 2003 too. :p

Sorry, RySenkari, but still unbelievable for me, girl power or no; after all, our Japan OTL already has a myriad of female leads in the girl power mold and that never changed having at least a male co-lead for the FE franchise. It's more that Japan is that enamored with the archetypes of FE, particularly the Marth saga, that if there's no expy of the two lords from the most popular games of the series as a co-MC (Marth, aka the original kindly and courageous Lord, and Sigurd, the archetype for the brash and confident leads such as Ike), that it just comes off as ASB that an FE would be that popular without them. Your PoD is already past the point where this would have changed.

Co Author here and i've my reasons for why choose a female characther... and was direct inspiration tellius saga even but wanted doing something completely different(if you can see what both ry and i do with false princess will be all direct and indirect influences).

The main reason was something would be unique and stand his own and mostly i think i do it and about archetype worship..those not become that big till 2002(guess where? and that was when the series decline started in japan, the west saved fire emblem alongside smash) so i wanted do something out the box.

So the game sold because was a good game(first fire emblem in 3D and high production values for the genre) so was mostly the 'awakening' esque hit. Plus something i noticed the big fire emblem was among ladies too.

Heck even marth was barely there till book 2.

I stand my design choice and how ry helped it with me, if the game nto sold well because was well done... i think i don't understand gaming anymore
 
Speaking of suspension of disbelief, I would have to say that there's a console Sailor Moon game coming out in 2000. How is it that IP is still relevant for games in Japan? Honestly, I felt the Ultra remake for the RPG is kinda a stretch.
 
Speaking of suspension of disbelief, I would have to say that there's a console Sailor Moon game coming out in 2000. How is it that IP is still relevant for games in Japan? Honestly, I felt the Ultra remake for the RPG is kinda a stretch.

Sailor Moon have live shows till 2005 and there even talk of a revival of those show at the moment of the writing and at the time was plan of the divisive live action adaptation. People forgot how huge is the IP, we're talking something like transformer in the west ladies and gentlemans, heck even DB got videogames when the series was done(before revival movies and super).

So that is not a stretch, localization would be bu here the ip is popular too, even bigger that otl(and bigger here in latin america)
 
Speaking of suspension of disbelief, I would have to say that there's a console Sailor Moon game coming out in 2000. How is it that IP is still relevant for games in Japan? Honestly, I felt the Ultra remake for the RPG is kinda a stretch.

The Katana Sailor Moon game is a "definitive" game, covering the whole series. It's meant to be the final Sailor Moon game for a long time. As for the Ultra remake, chalk it up to RPGs being bigger.
 
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