Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

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I think the real question will be is if the official licenses from the leagues will end up being restricted to one publisher in the future? Like how OTL EA secured the NFL rights, Take Two got the MLB, and so on and so forth. There used to be competing sports games... but no one makes them anymore besides the license holders.

Honestly, the NFL going exclusive to EA was pushed for on the NFL/NFLPA side. They didn't want to have to negotiate with every sports company for the rights every year, and only wanted to deal with one company for sports games.

Around this point IOTL, you had EA's Madden, NFL Blitz, 989 (Sony's) NFL GameDay series, Microsoft's NFL Fever, Atari's Backyard Football, Nintendo originally had Retro working on an NFL football game for the gamecube that fell through (and the studio nearly went bankrupt and Nintendo had to bail them out and have them make metroid prime)

And the NFL and NFL was tired of having to negotiate 5 licenses every year and pushed for a single exclusive license, which ended up being Madden.
 
Just remembered this...

Mari Devon appears as the voice of a major character, Lyra, and the TTL-exclusive members of FOXHOUND, Silicon Leech and Serrated Panther, are voiced by James Arnold Taylor and Cree Summer respectively.

So who provided their Japanese voices, or do you not know enough about seiyuu to make that decision?

Also, trying to remember what a long-ago online quiz gave as my FOX-HOUND codename, I found the conversation wherein Col. Campbell briefs Snake on the Sons of Big Boss, and I noticed that he introduces them in gojūon order, making it easy for me to write the TTL version of that speech with the exclusive members in the right place:

There are eight members of FOX-HOUND involved in this terrorist activity. Psycho Mantis, with his powerful psychic abilities. Silicon Leech, the ultimate hacker. Sniper Wolf, the beautiful and deadly sharpshooter. Serrated Panther, a madwoman on a motorcycle. Decoy Octopus, master of disguise. Vulcan Raven, giant and shaman. And Revolver Ocelot, specialist in interrogation and a formidable gunfighter.

(If those descriptions be too far off base, please correct them.)
 
Belatedly

Right, Conker remains a traditional kiddy platformer. Rare DOES channel their naughty energies into another adult video game, but you'll hear more about that down the road.

Sounds like a story I look forward to hearing.

BTW, did anyone notice a certain popular OTL comedienne working at G4 ITTL? There's a story behind that but it won't be fully revealed until later on.

I noticed (though I know her more for her voice work than her comedy work), and I look forward to that as well.
 
So who provided their Japanese voices, or do you not know enough about seiyuu to make that decision?

Also, trying to remember what a long-ago online quiz gave as my FOX-HOUND codename, I found the conversation wherein Col. Campbell briefs Snake on the Sons of Big Boss, and I noticed that he introduces them in gojūon order, making it easy for me to write the TTL version of that speech with the exclusive members in the right place:



(If those descriptions be too far off base, please correct them.)

We don't know a lot seiyuu culture, some but if you've an idea can tell us and why.

Well that is a nice trivia and make sense as japanese trivia, nice that, wonder what ry say about to edit it to the post.

Honestly, the NFL going exclusive to EA was pushed for on the NFL/NFLPA side. They didn't want to have to negotiate with every sports company for the rights every year, and only wanted to deal with one company for sports games.

Around this point IOTL, you had EA's Madden, NFL Blitz, 989 (Sony's) NFL GameDay series, Microsoft's NFL Fever, Atari's Backyard Football, Nintendo originally had Retro working on an NFL football game for the gamecube that fell through (and the studio nearly went bankrupt and Nintendo had to bail them out and have them make metroid prime)

And the NFL and NFL was tired of having to negotiate 5 licenses every year and pushed for a single exclusive license, which ended up being Madden.

this make little sense is not better more licensee=more money? there is missing piece of this puzzle.

We will account butterflies but here....personal opinion, that was utter bullshit otl.
 
this make little sense is not better more licensee=more money? there is missing piece of this puzzle.

ESPN NFL 2K5, one of the greatest football games ever made, was only 20 bucks and the NFL flipped out at the "devaluing of their brand" while Madden sales were badly hit. So basically the NFL demanded only one license and EA were scared by the competition and so were willing to pay.
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The NFL in general at the time was moving towards only having a single licensor for other spin-off properties. EA knew this and lobbied the NFL to switch to an exclusive license for them.

Also true, the above just hurried it up real fast because it murdered both company's positions. Oh complex corporate maneuvering is so much fun.
Hmm, but wasn't the biggest sports game on the OTL SNES NBA Jam? I didn't think the Madden games really became huge blockbuster hits until about the PS2 era, plus, the 2K games which were exclusive to Dreamcast at first couldn't save that system despite being considered the best sports games of the era. So I think you might be overestimating their importance a bit. However, as IOTL, sports games will grow in significance once the next era of consoles drops.

Well Sega was the sports console IOTL. ITTL the late term SNES CD probably is, by virtue of market size (aka PSX/PS2) even if the sales split is a little in Sega's favour. John Madden Football for the Genesis sold 400,000 copies on the tiny Sega Genesis install base in 1990 (I'd wager that it sold half that in consoles actually). It only got bigger after that and real fast. Which is why I figured stealing the sports market is an achievable goal for Sega, they already have that appeal and just need an extra hook...

NFL 2K was the best selling game (and game series) on the Dreamcast, by far. They actually were succeeding in their plan to gain on sports, they just had so many other areas of concern lol.

Overall though I'd agree with you on that sports games weren't as important in the 1990s as the early 2000s from what we know... but I also know that Sega and Sony poured money into sports (hundreds of millions), and Nintendo spent a lot as well, in a field dominated by EA, so both must have considered it very important, more so than we'd think from the outside. Shrug, I'm open though.
 
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The NFL in general at the time was moving towards only having a single licensor for other spin-off properties. EA knew this and lobbied the NFL to switch to an exclusive license for them.

Incidentally, MS' NFL Fever franchise was deep sixed as a condition to getting EA to use Xbox Live.

(the other condition being that EA could use their own servers instead of Microsoft servers)
 
I seriously hope you're not going for In Spite of A Nail when it comes to the Columbine Shooting. Or is Polly going to be able to talk him down?

I've gone through several different ideas for what ultimately goes down, but the idea I currently have and the one that's going to appear in the April 1999 update, I've had in mind since I've been writing the 1996 stuff. You'll have to see the update to find out what happens! :)

I think the real question will be is if the official licenses from the leagues will end up being restricted to one publisher in the future? Like how OTL EA secured the NFL rights, Take Two got the MLB, and so on and so forth. There used to be competing sports games... but no one makes them anymore besides the license holders.

We'll see what happens with this as well, but it won't be for a good long while yet.

Nintendo originally had Retro working on an NFL football game for the gamecube that fell through (and the studio nearly went bankrupt and Nintendo had to bail them out and have them make metroid prime)

Hmmmmm..... HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

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So who provided their Japanese voices, or do you not know enough about seiyuu to make that decision?

I don't know too terribly much about seiyuu. I know of a few of the big ones but I know like 0.1% as much about seiyuu as I do about American voice artists XD

Also, trying to remember what a long-ago online quiz gave as my FOX-HOUND codename, I found the conversation wherein Col. Campbell briefs Snake on the Sons of Big Boss, and I noticed that he introduces them in gojūon order, making it easy for me to write the TTL version of that speech with the exclusive members in the right place:

Those work! They sound awesome actually, thank you :)

We've got some big plans for the MGS series. While much from OTL will be carried over, there's also a lot of original stuff that'll be coming into play. The way the series itself plays out will be significantly different.

I noticed (though I know her more for her voice work than her comedy work), and I look forward to that as well.

Really? Mindy Kaling's done Taffyta and Disgust and that's about it in terms of voice acting, I'd have figured most people would know her for The Office and The Mindy Project (even if nobody watches The Mindy Project). But yeah, especially from 2002 on she'll have a recurring role ITTL.

ESPN NFL 2K5, one of the greatest football games ever made, was only 20 bucks and the NFL flipped out at the "devaluing of their brand" while Madden sales were badly hit. So basically the NFL demanded only one license and EA were scared by the competition and so were willing to pay.

I remember this! I played that game so much. What a shame that the NFL put an end to that series :(

Well Sega was the sports console IOTL. ITTL the late term SNES CD probably is, by virtue of market size (aka PSX/PS2) even if the sales split is a little in Sega's favour. John Madden Football for the Genesis sold 400,000 copies on the tiny Sega Genesis install base in 1990 (I'd wager that it sold half that in consoles actually). It only got bigger after that and real fast. Which is why I figured stealing the sports market is an achievable goal for Sega, they already have that appeal and just need an extra hook...

This is true, and early on, Sega Genesis was kicking the SNES-CD's ass in terms of sports, especially with the Mega Charger (remember that whole big thing from 1994's CES where Mike O'Malley was geeking out over Madden on the Mega Charger). I imagine that first Madden game on the Mega Charger sold at LEAST a million copies, perhaps two million or more, and remember that until Squad Four and DKC came out, the Genesis WAS winning and Madden was a major part of that. And then NHL '96 was probably the best launch game on the Saturn and again, the Saturn was kicking Nintendo's ass at sports games until the Ultra came out. Grant Hill NBA Basketball and Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run were a big deal for the SNES-CD as well.

Overall though I'd agree with you on that sports games weren't as important in the 1990s as the early 2000s from what we know... but I also know that Sega and Sony poured money into sports (hundreds of millions), and Nintendo spent a lot as well, in a field dominated by EA, so both must have considered it very important, more so than we'd think from the outside. Shrug, I'm open though.

Nintendo's still doing sports games, we'll be seeing another Grant Hill game and another Ken Griffey Jr. game on the Ultra in 2000. We might actually include a sports game update in next month's post, though April 1999 is quite a busy month...
 
Hopefully, JFK Jr. lives ITTL (his plane crash was in July of 1999 IOTL; it should be easy to butterfly that away)...

Waiting (and dreading) the next update.

Assuming Polly survives to go to Stanford, maybe she'll run into Chelsea Clinton...
 
Ry, I'll PM you some research material I have on Retro when I get home. But let me just say that there's a reason that they're a victim of "the butterflies taketh" in NDHB
 
Ry, I'll PM you some research material I have on Retro when I get home. But let me just say that there's a reason that they're a victim of "the butterflies taketh" in NDHB

send me a copy too Crunch, love to discuss with ry that later.

Retro..is a miracle how the studio won their market after so troubled beginings, and show a lot the 'japanese managment' philosophy at work.
 
Ah, not necessarily a Sonic counterpart to Sonic 06?

Well, it will be interesting to see how gamers will react Sonic 5 and if the Blue Blur can avoid hitting the polygon ceiling. It will be interesting to see how the series will progress as I believe that Shadow the Hedgehog may get butterflied out of existence. Part of me hopes so; his "edgy" nature felt a bit out of place in an otherwise lighthearted series. In any case, I would rather not see a TTL counterpart the Shadow the Hedgehog game or "What if Rob Liefeld made a Sonic game?" :p

Not really looking for confirmation, but I wonder if TTL would have a counterpart to Rogue the Bat. Methinks the series could use a thief/spy with a jewel obsession looking to steal the Master Emerald and possibly Knuckles' heart.
 
Ah, not necessarily a Sonic counterpart to Sonic 06?

Well, it will be interesting to see how gamers will react Sonic 5 and if the Blue Blur can avoid hitting the polygon ceiling. It will be interesting to see how the series will progress as I believe that Shadow the Hedgehog may get butterflied out of existence. Part of me hopes so; his "edgy" nature felt a bit out of place in an otherwise lighthearted series. In any case, I would rather not see a TTL counterpart the Shadow the Hedgehog game or "What if Rob Liefeld made a Sonic game?" :p

Not really looking for confirmation, but I wonder if TTL would have a counterpart to Rogue the Bat. Methinks the series could use a thief/spy with a jewel obsession looking to steal the Master Emerald and possibly Knuckles' heart.

I mean, it's somewhat plausible that you'd have one once-beloved franchise from earlier eras turn to crap like Sonic did IOTL.

Does there necessarily need to be a counterpart to Sonic 06?

I wonder what this TL's equivalent of Sonic 2006 is going to be...

Although I guess that ties into Sega's 6th gen and 7th fate and plans.

Well that game is obviously butterfly away and a lot of anime tropes of sonic may or not may land, depend the butterflies, sonic 06 was the sum all wrong design choices plus a rushed game is bad forever

stop overjumping and enjoy next update...oh
 
Ah, not necessarily a Sonic counterpart to Sonic 06?

Well, it will be interesting to see how gamers will react Sonic 5 and if the Blue Blur can avoid hitting the polygon ceiling. It will be interesting to see how the series will progress as I believe that Shadow the Hedgehog may get butterflied out of existence. Part of me hopes so; his "edgy" nature felt a bit out of place in an otherwise lighthearted series. In any case, I would rather not see a TTL counterpart the Shadow the Hedgehog game or "What if Rob Liefeld made a Sonic game?" :p

Not really looking for confirmation, but I wonder if TTL would have a counterpart to Rogue the Bat. Methinks the series could use a thief/spy with a jewel obsession looking to steal the Master Emerald and possibly Knuckles' heart.

I like Shadow. Not a hug fan of his, but I do enjoy his character, when he is done well.
 
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