Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

[Pyro]

Given that it's Greg Weisman, I wonder if the Legend of Zelda will incorporate some of the tropes he uses. In particular, the Xanatos Gambit, which he REALLY liked using (and used since his days as the co-writer of Captain Atom with General Wad Eiling.)

I wish I could tell you guys more about the Commander Keen cartoon, but it would spoil the next instalment I have planned. I will say the producer is of a distinguished pedigree.

I should get working on finishing Power Rangers Turbo too...

 

[Roger Redux]

Wow sweet update! A lot happened.

Does it get any better than Tim Curry as the scenery chewing villain?

You've dropped so many sudden mood whiplash moments and bombshells over the course of this TL, that when you started the little 'Brittany & Lyssa go Christmas shopping' story my first immediate thought was "Oh God, what's going to happen to them!?"
I'm so glad that it tuned out just to be little character moment!

I hope that, given how much more animation can get away with on TV, TTL's Sonic X doesn't get castrated in translation. Looking forward to hearing more about this and Sonic 5!

I bet all the Zelda fans are celebrating the erasing of Navi's existence! [Like Star Wars fans celebrating the lack of Jake Lloyd (and Jar-Jar?)]

 

[Miss Teri]

I wish I could tell you guys more about the Commander Keen cartoon, but it would spoil the next instalment I have planned. I will say the producer is of a distinguished pedigree.

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I was actually wondering about the "Commander Keen" comic book, because I was thinking for my Archie update, of possibly having a crossover between the two comic series, since they're both Sega licensed Archie Comics.

 

[Pyro]

If I were to provide any conjecture, Archie published the first issue of the Commander Keen comic shortly after the release of Mars' Most Wanted. The writer I had in mind was Dan Slott years before he became big at Marvel. Manny Galan would be the penciller and Andrew Pepoy the inker for the first year, unless you had other ideas.

Was there a Nights Into Dreams mini-series like OTL? (Released in 1997.)

 

[RySenkari]

How will they reconcile the Link to the Past's backstory with this in the future?

Regarding the whole adapting the Oracle of Seasons and Ages material, wasn't it Flagship that originally came up with it? Especially since unlike usual SOP for how Nintendo develops games (develop the mechanics first, then build the world), Flagship came up with the plots first then build a game around it.

As for LTTP's backstory, that'll be addressed, but probably not until 2010 or so ITTL. For now, there are gaps.

I'm not sure EXACTLY what Flagship came up with for the Oracle games, so I'm being very careful not to crib TOO much from them. Just bits and pieces.

Aw. Now, i'm torn. I'm no fan of Sony and I LOVE Disney so you can probably guess my feelings of Dreamworks but I also love Nintendo and would hate for the fallout from this failed deal to hurt them

Without spoiling TOO much, I'll say that it's got a good chance of "helping" Nintendo more than it does hurting them, since for this Dreamworks deal, Sony is acting pretty much on its own.

BTW, it's almost time for a wrestling update (if anyone is willing, of course)...

We'll try to cover it in the next few months.

Otherwise, there will be fans all about the discrepancies between the games, namely the Triforce being found in the Golden Land (Link to the Past) and the Triforce pieces being granted by the former goddesses (Temple of Time)

Maybe we'll have to cover how the Triforce GOT to the Golden Land...

By the way Ry, Kevin Smith friends with the GameTV hosts huh... how ironic

Friend of the show, not necessarily friend of the hosts (at least not a CLOSE friend). It just means he's someone they enjoy having on there.

Although Lyssa Fielding does end up playing Justice in TTL's Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back...

Given that it's Greg Weisman, I wonder if the Legend of Zelda will incorporate some of the tropes he uses. In particular, the Xanatos Gambit, which he REALLY liked using (and used since his days as the co-writer of Captain Atom with General Wad Eiling.)

That's up to Nevermore, though I haven't gotten the chance to talk to him in a while. He's welcome to post the first season update he sent us though

You've dropped so many sudden mood whiplash moments and bombshells over the course of this TL, that when you started the little 'Brittany & Lyssa go Christmas shopping' story my first immediate thought was "Oh God, what's going to happen to them!?

Yeah, I just wanted to have something lighthearted there (also showing what it might be like to visit an EB store on Black Friday '98 ITTL).

Was there a Nights Into Dreams mini-series like OTL? (Released in 1997.)

Yeah, I think so.

 

[Lavanya Six]

Given that it's Greg Weisman, I wonder if the Legend of Zelda will incorporate some of the tropes he uses. In particular, the Xanatos Gambit, which he REALLY liked using (and used since his days as the co-writer of Captain Atom with General Wad Eiling.)

Also, given that's Greg Weisman, the show will inevitably be cancelled after Season 2 or he'll be fired at that point.

EDIT: (Adding this in to avoid a double-post.)

Thinking on the Sega Katana, given it seems schedule to come out in 2001-ish, I'm wondering if it'll be caught flat-footed by ITTL's dot-com collapse. Slower adoption. Less enthusiastic buzz. Maybe not killer in and of itself but contributing to a narrative of Sega never being good enough to outright win a console war.

 

[eldandythedoubter]

Good update.

Waiting for more.

We're approaching 1999, and entering the countdown to Y2K...

BTW, it's almost time for a wrestling update (if anyone is willing, of course)...

I wonder if the Futarama episode Jurassic Bark will air; I've heard stories about how sad it is...

The only thing I know will happen is that Goldberg wins WW3 (WCW's version of the Royal Rumble), so its him vs Hogan for the belt at Starrcade. FOr the E, Rock's champ after the Deadly Games tournament, and finally in ECW (because we haven't talked about them at all) Tazz has introduced the FTW championship and his match with Shane Douglas is etched in stone for the next ppv. I'm not sure if he's lost the belt yet though.

 

[ANARCHY_4_ALL]

Friend of the show, not necessarily friend of the hosts (at least not a CLOSE friend). It just means he's someone they enjoy having on there.

Although Lyssa Fielding does end up playing Justice in TTL's Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back...

I didn't mean they were close friends, I should have said friendly. Has Jason Mewes been a guesst too? Does that mean he has made multiple appearances on the show?(you may have actually stated this in the BTS special I will check) Which brings up another question, have any of the guest stars helped make any game reviews?

Good prediction on my part then. Btw, you haven't replied back. I would rather hear your responses before I continue on with anything. I know you are probably just busy but don't forget about me ok.

 

[MightyMatilda]

There are many, many video game adaptations that just came before their time. For instance, a Legend of Zelda cartoon would be a better idea even in the late nineties, given that it now has actual world-building and a story more complex than "boy in green collects eight triangles to rescue princess from evil pig-sorcerer".

 

[Nivek]

There are many, many video game adaptations that just came before their time. For instance, a Legend of Zelda cartoon would be a better idea even in the late nineties, given that it now has actual world-building and a story more complex than "boy in green collects eight triangles to rescue princess from evil pig-sorcerer".

That is pretty relative and depend how is done the adaptation, Both Super Mario Bros series worked because keept the comical and fantasy theme of mario, something certain movie forgot about it.

Nevermore is the one about the Zelda Cartoon, i ask him to report, his work will suprise several people.

 

[Crunch Buttsteak]

I wonder if anything like this happened ITTL?

 

[Nivek]

I wonder if anything like this happened ITTL?

So was reading that forum too? well that is arcade and that sounds 80's, so sadly that already happened, yeah sometimes otl not cease to surprise me, wonder if ry would consider a mention about it...

 

[Electric Monk]

I wonder if anything like this happened ITTL?

Almost certainly. The timeline hasn't changed SoJ much beyond accepting SoA advice. Date is circa 1995 IIRC (and if not, happened already pre-POD), ATL Sega is still closely tied to the Yakuza for arcades (good on Namco*, by the by, for not cutting deals) and they are in an even tighter fight with Nintendo. Yeah still happens, hopefully the alternate person it likely happens to has the crane size balls of OTL.



*Nintendo and Sony as well, although vastly less exposure than Namco to arcades and Yakuza.

 

[Pyro]

Thinking on the Sega Katana, given it seems schedule to come out in 2001-ish, I'm wondering if it'll be caught flat-footed by ITTL's dot-com collapse. Slower adoption. Less enthusiastic buzz. Maybe not killer in and of itself but contributing to a narrative of Sega never being good enough to outright win a console war.

Hm. I don't know how the dot-com collapse would affect the sixth-gen Sega console in an adverse fashion. If anything, I wonder if the possibility of DVD as the chief format of the console could be used as a marketing tool (and possibly get one of Sony's competitors on board?) Sega could tell parents and other other prospective customers that it's more than a gaming console, it's also a DVD player, which will overtake VHS very soon. Plus get a strong line-up with some killer apps. I don't know if Sonic the Hedgehog 6 is in the cards for a "Katana" launch, but get Sonic Team working on something. Maybe secure a couple exclusives from Konami and Capcom. Well, if Enix is going to remain exclusive to Sega, get a Dragon Quest game released on (or close to) launch day. The Japanese still will skip work to wait in line for the game, right?

Things could go wrong, but I don't know if Sega will be caught flatfooted. I can see a lot of other things going right.

 

[Nevermore]

Nevermore is the one about the Zelda Cartoon, i ask him to report, his work will suprise several people.

Sorry about the radio silence on my end; mea culpa.

However, if Ry and Nivek would be so kind, I would like an extension for the project. I've mulled over the draft that I've written for the first season and I'm a little uncertain about posting it. The basic gist (not really a spoiler) is that it's meant to be a broad strokes adaptation of the games themselves though with original flair thrown in. I think it still needs quite a bit fine tuning so rest assured Player Two Start faithful, it is coming. It just needs to go back to the drawing board for a bit.

 

[Nivek]

Almost certainly. The timeline hasn't changed SoJ much beyond accepting SoA advice. Date is circa 1995 IIRC (and if not, happened already pre-POD), ATL Sega is still closely tied to the Yakuza for arcades (good on Namco*, by the by, for not cutting deals) and they are in an even tighter fight with Nintendo. Yeah still happens, hopefully the alternate person it likely happens to has the crane size balls of OTL.



*Nintendo and Sony as well, although vastly less exposure than Namco to arcades and Yakuza.

You've the book? more info that situation would be better, i think he reffered the 80's(85-90 ore excatly) when the bubble and cuttroath competition was brutal.

Again who called SEGA name? other companies would have been Konami(always infamous his secretism), Capcom, SNK(who was made by poaching talent), Tailto or other.

Again Something i remember is that Nintendo hates yazuka and crime till death because the obvious reason(piracy) and the legend thay yazuka stole truck full of first batch Super famicom when the launch was crowed and that cost nintendo money and pacience.

Sorry about not the radio silence on my end; mea culpa.

However, if Ry and Nivek would be so kind, I would like an extension for the project. I've mulled over the draft that I've written for the first season and I'm a little uncertain about posting it. The basic gist (not really a spoiler) is that it's meant to be a broad strokes adaptation of the games themselves though with original flair thrown in. I think it still needs quite a bit fine tuning so rest assured Player Two Start faithful, it is coming. It just needs to go back to the drawing board for a bit.

Not problem about it, take all the time needed it, those are always appendix/sidestories and better one well made that one later need reviews. So yeah take the time, if need ideas or suggestions, not forget to call us

 

[RySenkari]

I didn't mean they were close friends, I should have said friendly. Has Jason Mewes been a guesst too? Does that mean he has made multiple appearances on the show?(you may have actually stated this in the BTS special I will check) Which brings up another question, have any of the guest stars helped make any game reviews?

Jason Mewes has been on the show once, Kevin Smith has been on the show a few times. No celebrity guest reviews yet, maybe sometime eventually!

Almost certainly. The timeline hasn't changed SoJ much beyond accepting SoA advice. Date is circa 1995 IIRC (and if not, happened already pre-POD), ATL Sega is still closely tied to the Yakuza for arcades (good on Namco*, by the by, for not cutting deals) and they are in an even tighter fight with Nintendo. Yeah still happens, hopefully the alternate person it likely happens to has the crane size balls of OTL.

IF I can come up with something interesting to feature this story in I'll try to have something concerning it, if I can't come up with anything more interesting than what happened IOTL I'll just keep it as IOTL.

Hm. I don't know how the dot-com collapse would affect the sixth-gen Sega console in an adverse fashion. If anything, I wonder if the possibility of DVD as the chief format of the console could be used as a marketing tool (and possibly get one of Sony's competitors on board?) Sega could tell parents and other other prospective customers that it's more than a gaming console, it's also a DVD player, which will overtake VHS very soon. Plus get a strong line-up with some killer apps. I don't know if Sonic the Hedgehog 6 is in the cards for a "Katana" launch, but get Sonic Team working on something. Maybe secure a couple exclusives from Konami and Capcom. Well, if Enix is going to remain exclusive to Sega, get a Dragon Quest game released on (or close to) launch day. The Japanese still will skip work to wait in line for the game, right?

We're still mulling over whether or not the Saturn successor should have a DVD player. We've already discussed the launch games, believe it or not! Not yet sure if Sonic 6 will be a launch title (actually, we are sure but it'd be a spoiler to say). As for Dragon Quest, DQ VII is confirmed as a Saturn game, so no DQ at successor launch.

However, if Ry and Nivek would be so kind, I would like an extension for the project. I've mulled over the draft that I've written for the first season and I'm a little uncertain about posting it. The basic gist (not really a spoiler) is that it's meant to be a broad strokes adaptation of the games themselves though with original flair thrown in. I think it still needs quite a bit fine tuning so rest assured Player Two Start faithful, it is coming. It just needs to go back to the drawing board for a bit.

That's fine.

I need to tackle the PM backlog a bit. I'll try to get to it this afternoon if I can, Fallout 4 has me right now though so unfortunately I might not be able to reply to the PMs today. We'll see.

 

[Pyro]

We're still mulling over whether or not the Saturn successor should have a DVD player. We've already discussed the launch games, believe it or not! Not yet sure if Sonic 6 will be a launch title (actually, we are sure but it'd be a spoiler to say). As for Dragon Quest, DQ VII is confirmed as a Saturn game, so no DQ at successor launch.

Is that to say, Sega's sixth-gen console might have a DVD-ROM drive, or just no DVD playback for movies? If you would like my $0.02, it should be become evident that in terms of storage medium, DVD would be a the way to go and I imagine Sega is looking for any advantage. Also consider that in OTL the PlayStation2 had a DVD drive in 1999-2000, as did the the X-Box in 2001, and the GameCube had a mini-DVD. It strikes as highly irrational that Sega TTL would stick with CD when their competitor is using a proprietary format with more storage, especially when there is a format with 4x more storage than said competitor's. I would like to believe Hayao Nakayama would be shred enough to recognize the value of an emerging format.

 

[Nivek]

Is that to say, Sega's sixth-gen console might have a DVD-ROM drive, or just no DVD playback for movies? If you would like my $0.02, it should be become evident that in terms of storage medium, DVD would be a the way to go and I imagine Sega is looking for any advantage. Also consider that in OTL the PlayStation2 had a DVD drive in 1999-2000, as did the the X-Box in 2001, and the GameCube had a mini-DVD. It strikes as highly irrational that Sega TTL would stick with CD when their competitor is using a proprietary format with more storage, especially when there is a format with 4x more storage than said competitor's. I would like to believe Hayao Nakayama would be shred enough to recognize the value of an emerging format.

well you touched it, ry say player not ROM, that is two different stuff and well the system would use DVD-ROM esque disc but not play DVD at all(wii as example) we're in that under review because sega would want to push other area of gaming and would be force to choose one because cost cutting reasons.

When you touch well your other post about how to jump, still is too early, Sega allowed Genesis live 6 years even being a non-factor in japan(western sales and cd may allowed but still sega wanted mega-cd being the whole sucessor) meaning 2000-2001 at minimum, that is 2 whole years of tl full of games and events.

So Sega will do something, but again when sega do his movement, as say chess game, is not only their but their oponents too.

 

[Crunch Buttsteak]

Actually, doing some research on the DVD format, Phillips and Sony collaborated on one of the predecessors to the DVD in 1995 with the Multimedia CD (MMCD) format, which could hold 4.7 GB of data on a 12 cm optical disc.

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/a...ose-specifications-high-density-multimedia-cd

With the SNES-CD deal, did this just not happen ITTL?

TBQH, I could see Sony making a push internally for the UNES to adopt the MMCD format, before Sony/Nintendo ultimately went with the more conservative gigadisc.