Player Two Start: An SNES-CD Timeline

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Miss Teri

Miss Teri

Well, a lot has changed. At very least, my favorite Cartoon Network shows (Pokemon, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, and especially EE'nE) still exist, and Toonami also still exists in some form, so my own early childhood is intact. Also, a Legend of Zelda animated show produced by Disney?

Is Fraiser's run mostly like OTL? I ask because you mentioned NBC's line-up in the update.
 

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Clinton doesn't get impeached? Good (I'm a Clinton supporter)

Tarantino in charge of Godzilla? Awesome, IMO...

Just one request: don't hire Mike Ditka as the coach of the Saints; I fear for his safety if he wants Ricky Williams for the Saints...
 

GeorgeUK

So I'm guessing Beckham isn't a pariah atm, as England are beaten by Holland ITTL rather than Argentina.

Just checked how it would have gone, and Holland and England would have met in the quarter finals. So maybe Simeone gets sent off for his challenge on Beckham and becomes a pariah himself.

ie:

R16:
Holland beat USA
England beat Argentina :D

QF:
Holland beat England

(Also, in 98-99, Chelsea came within four points of the Premiership title. Will butterflies see them go a few better?)
 
Roger Redux

Roger Redux

Wow! That's a lot of cool updates!
So after all that they ended up not making Shrek at all? How much of it was finished?
So now that SEGA officially owns Bandai, any chance of a cool Cowboy Bebop RPG/shooter?
Now I'm anxiously awaiting the inevitable Sonic anime; hopefully it's better than Sonic X. (It literally cannot be worse than the 4Kids dub. The Japanese version w/subtitles is decent, but it still could've been better.)
I like how even Sony is underestimating the power of DVD ITTL. I'm guessing that the SEGA Katana will be a DVD based machine?

If SEGA is in the market to buy another rapidly bankrupting toy company ITTL, might I suggest MGC - the Model Gun Company?

I think most of the kids on Nick Arcade 2.0 probably picked Brittany because they knew she was the best of the three and wanted to test their skills. Or alternately because they knew they couldn't beat any of them, and if you're gonna lose, lose to the pretty one.
"Wow, you got to play with Brittany from GameTV?!"
"Yup!"
"How'd you do?"
"She kicked my ass, but it was AWESOME!"
"Sweet."
*high-five*
 

RySenkari

At very least, my favorite Cartoon Network shows (Pokemon, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, and especially EE'nE) still exist, and Toonami also still exists in some form, so my own early childhood is intact.
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Right, and Toonami ITTL might even be better considering an extra season of Jonny Quest and less censorship on certain shows.

Also, a Legend of Zelda animated show produced by Disney?
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Nevermore will reveal more later on!

Is Fraiser's run mostly like OTL? I ask because you mentioned NBC's line-up in the update.
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Yeah, Frasier's almost entirely untouched by the events of the timeline, it does as well ITTL as it does IOTL.

Clinton doesn't get impeached? Good
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A bit more on that later on, but I did feel it prudent to go ahead and reveal that yes, Clinton doesn't get impeached this time around. It'll probably be addressed more in the November 1998 mid-term election update.

Just one request: don't hire Mike Ditka as the coach of the Saints; I fear for his safety if he wants Ricky Williams for the Saints...
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The Saints have Peyton Manning, I think they'll do a BIT better this time around. They have no chance of getting Ricky Williams with the pick they'll end up getting in 1999, even if they trade the farm like the Buccaneers did for Leaf.

I see Family Guy has been butterflied away here.

Will The Simpsons go on as long as it had or will it meet a merciful end?
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No Powerpuff Girls on CN means a slot for MacFarlane, so yep, no Family Guy here. And The Simpsons will keep plugging away indefinitely, at least as of right now.

Also, in 98-99, Chelsea came within four points of the Premiership title. Will butterflies see them go a few better?
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Maybe. I'm not very knowledgeable of soccer, so if someone would like to cover the Premier League in depth, they're welcome to do so! Or I could do my best to come up with something.

So after all that they ended up not making Shrek at all? How much of it was finished?
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About 50 percent before Dreamworks decided to go another way after seeing how their 1998 CGI film (not Antz, but a circus-based film, more on that later) was doing.

So now that SEGA officially owns Bandai, any chance of a cool Cowboy Bebop RPG/shooter?
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Fairly good, actually!

I like how even Sony is underestimating the power of DVD ITTL. I'm guessing that the SEGA Katana will be a DVD based machine?
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Maybe. Even Nivek and I haven't decided on that yet! Or the Katana name! Right now it's just "Project Katana".


If SEGA is in the market to buy another rapidly bankrupting toy company ITTL, might I suggest MGC - the Model Gun Company?
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We'll look into that!
 

HonestAbe1809

I'm kinda disappointed that the Chris Farley Shrek movie was tossed aside. I wanted to see how that film would be different from OTL's film. The fact that it was unceremoniously scrapped with a single sentence is especially galling when I was excited for it from the moment I saw that Farley was going to live to finish it. Why did you have them scrap it? Did you think it wasn't worth the effort to write a synopsis? It's kinda frustrating to have all that anticipation and have you guys turn around and go "There's no film here. We foreshadowed a movie that doesn't exist".

And what's it going to take to get Jobs to admit that Sega is more than a "goddamn toy company"? And are we really going to have to wait another three years for the really deep symbolism-rich games like Silent Hill to arise? The butterflies that will have arisen by 2001 make it unclear that Silent Hill would even be made. And if it isn't I hope that whatever IP is the analogue is created by a company other than Konami.

What if Microsoft enters the console race using the established Atari brand? The alegations of monopoly would be lessened if they entered the industry through another party rather than going in themselves. And the Microsoft resources would be the shot in the arm that Atari would need to stay in the business.
 

Nivek

HonestAbe1809 said:
I'm kinda disappointed that the Chris Farley Shrek movie was tossed aside. I wanted to see how that film would be different from OTL's film. The fact that it was unceremoniously scrapped with a single sentence is especially galling when I was excited for it from the moment I saw that Farley was going to live to finish it. Why did you have them scrap it? Did you think it wasn't worth the effort to write a synopsis? It's kinda frustrating to have all that anticipation and have you guys turn around and go "There's no film here. We foreshadowed a movie that doesn't exist".

And what's it going to take to get Jobs to admit that Sega is more than a "goddamn toy company"? And are we really going to have to wait another three years for the really deep symbolism-rich games like Silent Hill to arise? The butterflies that will have arisen by 2001 make it unclear that Silent Hill would even be made. And if it isn't I hope that whatever IP is the analogue is created by a company other than Konami.

What if Microsoft enters the console race using the established Atari brand? The alegations of monopoly would be lessened if they entered the industry through another party rather than going in themselves. And the Microsoft resources would be the shot in the arm that Atari would need to stay in the business.
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the first... yeah was evil but blame ry, that was his evil idea and was so good i have to agreed with it . Those are stuff that happen, we even do it before if you read it carefuly(hint videogame)

that was a jab certain company recived otl and was a 'reference' for old fans, the rest...stay tuned your lobby may be sucessful ;)

Ummmmmm, depend, Atari is still hasbro right? but they sold it pretty fast, still not final but again like otl Atari shooted himself in the foot so much....
 

RySenkari

There IS a reason we ditched Shrek. Two reasons, actually, and they're good ones. I promise we'll get more into those reasons, mostly in the 1999 pop culture update, but we'll also have more down the road. This is one of those things you'll have to "trust us" on, I promise, there is a method to our madness!

Silent Hill actually first appeared in 1999 IOTL, we'll be hearing about it ITTL quite soon. But Parasite Eve will be going deeper into symbolism ITTL. It's going to turn out a better game than it was IOTL, one of 1998's major Game of the Year contenders since Squaresoft's putting even more effort into it. And as for Jobs and Sega... that's a spoiler, a big spoiler, so our lips are sealed there.

As for Microsoft....we'll be seeing more from them as the timeline goes on. The anti-trust suit will go as IOTL, but because of butterflies, their reactions to it may be differently. Whether or not that involves Atari or anyone else, that'll be revealed in due time as well.
 

Golden Darkness

HonestAbe1809 said:
What if Microsoft enters the console race using the established Atari brand? The alegations of monopoly would be lessened if they entered the industry through another party rather than going in themselves. And the Microsoft resources would be the shot in the arm that Atari would need to stay in the business.
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Incidentally, 1998 was the year Hasbro bought up the Atari brand. (Not Atari Games, that was bought by Midway in 1996).
 
Lavanya Six

Lavanya Six

RySenkari said:
Maybe. Even Nivek and I haven't decided on that yet! Or the Katana name! Right now it's just "Project Katana".
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I could see it. With the earlier rise of anime ITTL, 'Katana' might be riding "Cool Japan" coattails for the sake of marketing when it launches in 2001-ish. There also doesn't seem to be any foreshadowing of a backlash yet, like what followed when the OTL anime/manga bubble burst.

It actually seems a little weird that the video game industry hasn't hit into the numbered iteration yet, to create a continuous brand, although that's probably the influence of the OTL tech industry talking through me. Nintendo's ideas are still driving the gaming industry ITTL, and they've never done the numbered iteration thing.

Although if Sega and Microsoft consult ITTL, I could almost imagine Bill Gates frowning at some meeting and asking why they don't just call it the "Saturn 2"*. After all, Microsoft stuck with the Windows branding through thick and thin, and Sega just spent five years building a respectable 'Saturn' brand.


* Cue years of 'S2' jokes by Evangelion fans.
 

RySenkari

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Wait, Gint Bomb still exists ITTL? Is it still run by Jeff Gerstmann?
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Yes, and yes. Even with all the game-related butterflies of the timeline, certain unsavory practices remain the same from OTL to TTL (it's not Kane and Lynch, but another game that causes it, and possibly a company besides Eidos), and those practices again cause Gerstmann to leave GameSpot and start his own review website around the same time as he did OTL.
 

HonestAbe1809

Is Hauer not going to phone in his performance in the next X-Men movie? Is Mystique going to be introduced in a later film? Is it possible for the films to give some love to Magneto's green-haired daughter Polaris or would two characters with the same power confuse audiences? And when is the next Batman movie coming out?
 

Nivek

HonestAbe1809 said:
Is Hauer not going to phone in his performance in the next X-Men movie? Is Mystique going to be introduced in a later film? Is it possible for the films to give some love to Magneto's green-haired daughter Polaris or would two characters with the same power confuse audiences? And when is the next Batman movie coming out?
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Xmen next movie is in development but pyro update(check table of content courtesy of golden darkness) about some clues what will come.

Batman Next movie will come next year and we're discussing it
 
Crunch Buttsteak

Crunch Buttsteak

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Yep. However, they were saved by Fox and didn't sell their movie stuff.
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The reason I was asking was that IOTL, before the bankruptcy happened, a LOT of studios had different conflicting movie rights to Marvel's IP, making any attempt to make a movie based on them a legal clusterfuck. When Marvel went bankrupt, it voided all those agreements and reverted all the rights back to Marvel.
 
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