Plausibility of South American countries having african colonies in this scenario.

Right I shall set out a scenario and then ask the question behind it.

In this Scenerio South America manages to avoid the majority of conflict and trouble it experienced in OTL instead focussing on industrialisation and economic growth - they have a greater share of european immigration lets say that they are not only more attractive but the USA is less for some reason - say worse Slavery trouble.

South America manages to stay as mostly strong unified large countries - Gran Colombia, Bolivia-Peruvian Confederation, Brazil and the United Provinces of Rio de Plata.

Independance goes much as OTL - Chilean and Argentine [UPRP] confrontation is avoided by Chile focussing and getting free colonisation in Patagonia and the UPRP focussing on internal debate between centralists and federalists but without civil war, Peru, Gran Colombia and Ecuador manage to diplomatically sort their border problems. The only major conflict is the TTL Tacna War in which Chile conquers its OTL northern area.

Wars in South America:
- Chincha Islands War - all of south america unify to beat the Spanish and eliminate their remenant power - 1865-67.

- Tacna War - 1873-80. Chileans decisively beat the Bolivian-Peruvian Confederation which leads to them sorting their internal issues and centralising.

The major regional powers ITTL by 1880 are Chile, Bolivia-Peru, United Provinces of the Rio de Plata and Brazil - they engage in more or less friendly rivalry and competitiveness such as dreadnought building and posturing but never war. Economys continue to grow.

Can add further detail if needed.

Basically my question is if the nations of South America in this scenario had the political wish to colonise Africa on a small scale and establish trade posts ect which would reasonably be able to, would it be plausible and how/where are they likely to do it.

Assume rest of the world butterfly net for the moment.

Mappy

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Given the circumstances for the rest of the world you pointed out, you might see Brazil doing best in Africa. The Pacific countries might want to shoot towards the Polynesia instead.

On a side note; how would Chile do better against the Confederacy that’s had close to 40 years to consolidate? Portales IOTL launched the war because of his sheer terror that this state might solidify, and surpass Chile in all aspects…
 
Given the circumstances for the rest of the world you pointed out, you might see Brazil doing best in Africa. The Pacific countries might want to shoot towards the Polynesia instead.

On a side note; how would Chile do better against the Confederacy that’s had close to 40 years to consolidate? Portales IOTL launched the war because of his sheer terror that this state might solidify, and surpass Chile in all aspects…

Well I had the Chilean War mainly to balance out the powers ITTL and to give them all strong economic bases with which to maximise colonial and stability chances. I also was using the war with Chile as a way to bring the Confederation together and reunify it but if you feel its Implausible I can always change it.
 
Well I had the Chilean War mainly to balance out the powers ITTL and to give them all strong economic bases with which to maximise colonial and stability chances. I also was using the war with Chile as a way to bring the Confederation together and reunify it but if you feel its Implausible I can always change it.

I wouldn’t call it ASB. But it would certainly be an uphill battle for the Chileans by the 1870’s.
 
Well, there is the matter of the Gobernación de Fernando Poo y Annobón, which for a while was under the jurisdiction of Buenos Aires. No, I'm not joking.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernación_de_Fernando_Poo_y_Annobón

Spanish Wiki said:
La Gobernación de Fernando Poo y Annobón, fue un área administrativa integrante del Imperio español dentro del Virreinato del Río de la Plata, las dos islas forman parte actualmente de la República de Guinea Ecuatorial en África.
 
I've always thought the easiest way to get South American colonies in Africa is to have Brazil take Portugal's colonies.

If you don't want to go that route, Brazil is still your best option since it is the closest to Africa and will still be the largest and most powerful state in S. America.
 
With Brazil being so close to its African colonies, I wonder how many would immigrate to the country.
 
Agreed with Abhakhazia, Brazillian West Africa would be fairly logical, at least. Brazil could pick up Angola from a crumbling Portuguese Empire or, if it wanted, strike across the Atlantic to Sierra Leone, Liberia, or possibly the Niger Delta where there are already Lusophone African populations.

I can't see any of the others having any major interest in acquiring African land. The ones on the Pacific coast will be looking across to Asia and Polynesia.
 
Se general consensus is that Brazil could plausibly pick up african colonies in this scenario if it wished - just out of interest whilst I agree they would have less itnerest if say Chile to Gran Colombia decided to attempt to gain some would it be possible ?
 
I'm hard pressed to think of any justification for any Latin American country other than Brazil to grab said colonies - I suppose, if Brazil got Angola, either Chile or La Plata might grab something in Namibia, but I don't know what purpose it would serve. Namibia isn't regarded as prime colonial real estate.

If these countries are quietly wealthy, they do have the time to indulge in this sort of thing, but strategically I don't know if it would make sense for them. Brazil is really the only one with logical means and motivation.
 
Brazil is really the only one with logical means and motivation.
And the motivation stops when the Transatlantic slave trade ends. And it was supposed to be over by the time Brazil got its independence.

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Since IOTL there were "spontaneous" settlements of Afro-Brazilian former slaves in West Africa I always wondered about the possibility of 2nd-reign Brazil pulling a "Liberia" in Dahomey...
 
miguelrj said:
And the motivation stops when the Transatlantic slave trade ends. And it was supposed to be over by the time Brazil got its independence.

Well, slave trading aside, it would make a certain amount of political/strategic sense to control both sides of the Atlantic at its narrowest point between Rio Grande do Norte and Guinea Bissau/Sierra Leone. Given that Brazil is very closely placed to do just that, it's not inconceivable that a government in Rio might choose to go for it. Particularly in an era when misinformation was rife about the commercial opportunities Africa could offer to colonial nations, and owning African colonies was regarded as the prestigious mark of a powerful nation.

miguelrj said:
Since IOTL there were "spontaneous" settlements of Afro-Brazilian former slaves in West Africa I always wondered about the possibility of 2nd-reign Brazil pulling a "Liberia" in Dahomey...

That would be a very good platform to build on. You've got a ready-made class of acclimatised, Portuguese-speaking bureaucrats to administer such a colony.
 
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