Plausibility of a successful 1905 Russian Revolution?

How far do you think the 1905 Russian Revolution can go? Is it realistic to say there is a chance that it had the potential to end up like the successful 1917 Russian Revolution?

Who do you think the major players would be in 1905 revolution that ends up looking like the 1917 Russian Revolution? Would the Bolsheviks be as prominent or would more moderate views prevail? How would foreign powers respond? Would various ethnic groups attempt to break away from the Russian Empire during the 1905 Russian Revolution? For example, the Polish had their own revolution that seeked autonomy within the Russian Empire; perhaps a "larger" revolution, so to speak, would have them call for an independent Poland.

To make the 1905 Russian Revolution more violent and radical, would it be as simple as having Tsar Nicholas II refuse to sign the October Manifesto? It would seem that all the Tsar had to do to retain power was sign the manifesto, agree to form a Duma, and then repress various dissidents behind the scenes. This then culminates in the Tsar dissolving the first Duma. After that the 1905 Revolution fizzles out.

Thank you for your thoughts,
Roach.
 
There were lots of things aiding Lenin and the revolutionaries which won't be there in 1905.

For a start, there isn't a global war going on (though I'll conceed that forces were out in Japan).

Secondly, the 1905 revolutionaries never had the intention of overthrowing the Tsar, at least in general. From what I know of the 1905 revolution, their main entention was to vent their anger.

Thirdly, it's important to remember that the Russian State didn't go straight from Tsarism to Bulshivism and the February and October revolutions themselves had entirely different purposes.
 
Thanks for the reply,

Yes, I agree, in general the people who participated in the 1905 revolution were more moderate than in the 1917 revolution. What I'm asking is peoples opinions on how to realistically turn the 1905 revolution into one like the 1917 revolution, or, to put it another way, have a 1917-like revolution 12 years earlier.

With the conditions that existed during the time: political assassinations, roughly 90% of Poland's workers go on strike, 2 million workers protesting in Russia, ethnic strife in the Caucus region, Russian railways literally ceasing to be run, the Balts and Finns calling for autonomy, etc must be able to lead to a more radical and violent revolution.

Even after the Tsar gave in and ratified the October Manifesto, radicals and revolutionaries still called for an armed overthrow of the monarchy. What the 1905 Revolution seems to need is a bit more of a nudge, which is why I'm here, to look for a realistic "nudge to turn it akin to OTL's 1917 Russian Revolution.
 
I think that the core of it is that you have to create something which will not only get the people out into the streets, but ensure that they stay out there come what may. In the February Revolution, it was bread. The problems in both 1905 and 1917 are the same at the core, but 1917 was so much worse in terms of actual situation that it was that much easier to exploit it.
 

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Perhaps the anti-semitic pogroms by Cossacks in the Pale of Settlement and 'Black Hundreds' trying to shit on Ukrainian language can be used to stir up the pot a bit.
 
That's all very good insight/ideas.

I'm curious about what route you think foreign intervention may take if the 1905 revolution begins to deteriorate into a 1917 scenario. Obviously World War I hasnt taken place. I suspect Germany, perhaps followed by Austria-Hungary might get involved-especially in the areas of Poland and the Baltic states. Perhaps Japan imposes more influence over Manchuria and Korea, with Russia distracted by internal problems and having just lost the Russo-Japanese War.

Thoughts on this and anything else pertaining to the general thread?
 
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