Plausibility Check: Non-Monotheistic Religious percecution

When we look at our religious history, there has been a lot of talk about religious percecution. However, there is an impression that all (or almost all) such percecution comes of monotheists percecuting other religions. Frequently these percecuted have also been monotheists.

Has there historically been religious percecution not involving monotheism? Can religious percecution come from polytheism, shamanism, animism, totemism, ancestor worshipping or in any other belief system? And whether or not there hasn't, could there be in an ATL?
 
When we look at our religious history, there has been a lot of talk about religious percecution. However, there is an impression that all (or almost all) such percecution comes of monotheists percecuting other religions. Frequently these percecuted have also been monotheists.

Has there historically been religious percecution not involving monotheism? Can religious percecution come from polytheism, shamanism, animism, totemism, ancestor worshipping or in any other belief system? And whether or not there hasn't, could there be in an ATL?

Yes.

It's frankly something I find funny about Hindu nationalists screaming about the Islamic Invasions and destruction of Hinduism. Hindu rulers played a massive role in suppressing Buddhism in India. And Hinduism after all wasn't even a unified religion -- various rulers were often extremely oppressive towards followers of different Hindu gods, different sects, different cults. An invading force would come in, destroy temples of their rivals and build new ones to worship *their* gods, etc.

For a more contemporary example, look up the actions of Buddhist nationalists in Sri Lanka.
 
- Persecution of ancient egyptian pantheon by Atenism. Atenism being persecuted himself.
- Mysteries cults by Lagids
- Druidism being hunted to death by Romans
- Hindus against Buddhists, Hindus against Hindus, Budhists against Budhists
- Confucianism vs. Budhism.
- Atheism versus religions, and vice-versa. (You don't need a religion to be intolerent)
 
- Atheism versus religions, and vice-versa. (You don't need a religion to be intolerent)

Sorry to be anal but atheism isn't an organised group.

You could potentially in the future have godless religions like say scientology go after rivals if they have the numbers but "atheism" in itself isn't an organised movement, it can't really be said to have gone after anyone in the past.

Some of the historical examples given of "persecution by atheists" usually are based on communist regimes but considering many of them had state controlled churches and went after other non-religious groups, this was more a question of preventing parallel power structures then persecution targeted at religions.
 
Sorry to be anal but atheism isn't an organised group.
Neither Christianism, Hinduism, Agnosticism, etc.

For each self-distinction made amongst human groups (whatever their validity), you would found an organized body if you have a large enough definition, or no one with a really narrow one.

Let me propose mine : an organised body, is one agreeing on a (strict or not) hierarchic organisation unifing whole the social group. It means you can have atheists groups with a diverse degree of unification and cohesion, or religious groups with the same.

Of course, religious bodies having a more long history of social organisation, they had also more time to commit persecution of their own, or to prevent them.

So, yes, you had groups that, by arguing of an atheist or anti-clerical necessity, that actively participated or launched anti-religious persecutions.
Atheist doesn't mean you can't be an intolerent dick.


Some of the historical examples given of "persecution by atheists" usually are based on communist regimes but considering many of them had state controlled churches and went after other non-religious groups, this was more a question of preventing parallel power structures then persecution targeted at religions.

So your point is as long non-religious persecution affects only some religion, it's not the same than inter-religious persecutions?

Allow me to disagree. It's not because you have puppets bodies that it means other, less fortunates bodies aren't repressed for religious reasons : Uniates, for instance, weren't repressed on the policy of their church, or ethnic grounds, but because their were Uniates, period.

That their motives cover or are in parallel with other ones, I agree with you : it's also the case for the extremly massive majority of religious persecutions (some random exemples : persecution of Druidism in hope of destructucrate celtic polities, persecution of protestantism in France in the same time of political civil war motives, fitna on Arabo-Islamic world on dynastic and religious grounds).
 
You also has Oda Nobunaga's persecution of the Ikko Ikki Buddhist sect, granted they were militant and fanatical themselves.
 

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Ideological persecution occurs in all societies, and religion is basically the most fanatical and pig-headed form of ideology. Personally though, I'd say that historically, the different formation processes of monotheistic and polytheistic religions lends themselves to different forms of persecution. Persecution of other religions in monotheistic societies tends to be more evangelical and proactive (eg, convert or die/our god is the one true god, any others must be demons, so the evil heathens must be purged), whereas persecution of other religions in polytheistic and nontheistic faiths tends to be more repressive and reactionary (eg, revert or die/our power over others proves that their faiths and deities are inferior to ours, so they are inferior primitives).
 
Pagan persecution of Christians in their territory has been a part of Christian histrionics for awhile. Also Hindus have a rich history of targeting Muslims. Also also modern era Burma has had Budhist persecution of Muslims for awhile.
 
Religions are just an excuse for persecution. The real hatred is just something that seems to come natural to humans. We always choose to group ourselves ("I'm white", "I'm black", "I'm Christian", "I'm straight" etc), and then have a disdain for groups that are increasingly different from "our own".

I'd bet everything I have that a world with no religions would have just as much persecution as our own.
 
The Romans crushed the worship of Dionysus I believe.

Let's say they tried to.
There were some very harsh laws against it (better said, against its more conspicuous public practices) in the late Republic and early Empire, but nothing of the sort really ever worked. However, AFAIK no form of Bacchic cult approached true Monotheism.
 
You also has Oda Nobunaga's persecution of the Ikko Ikki Buddhist sect, granted they were militant and fanatical themselves.

I gather that later Japanese Shogunates (both Toyotomi and Tokugawa) repressed Christianity pretty thoroughly as well.
(whether Buddhism in any shape or form can approach Monotheism is questionable, but I understand that its basic tenets are non-theistic; as in, the existence of anything amounting to what in the West would be called a "God" is fairly irrelevant to the general outline of Buddhist path to salvation. If I am wrong on this key point, please correct me).
 
Uniates, for instance, weren't repressed on the policy of their church, or ethnic grounds, but because their were Uniates, period.

I suppose you mean Unitarians (as in, non-Trinitarian sorts of Christians that emerged post-Reformation). "Uniates" usually refers to Greek-Slavonic rite Catholics in the eastern lands of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and other formerly Eastern Christian groups that more or less willingly accepted Roman primacy while keeping some form of Eastern rite.
Persecutions against Uniates historically happened (usually because politics), but to my knowledge was never as heavy as the one against Unitarians.
 
Ideological persecution occurs in all societies, and religion is basically the most fanatical and pig-headed form of ideology. Personally though, I'd say that historically, the different formation processes of monotheistic and polytheistic religions lends themselves to different forms of persecution. Persecution of other religions in monotheistic societies tends to be more evangelical and proactive (eg, convert or die/our god is the one true god, any others must be demons, so the evil heathens must be purged), whereas persecution of other religions in polytheistic and nontheistic faiths tends to be more repressive and reactionary (eg, revert or die/our power over others proves that their faiths and deities are inferior to ours, so they are inferior primitives).

The Soviet Union under Stalin can be said to have been a very clear counterexample to the above. And I don't think it is the only one. Of course, the SU official ideology was very emphatically nontheistic.
 
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