Plausibility Check: No German Reunion

hi, defacto you could went mad about anything, cause even if germany never had an interest in a different border, such thing could change, say, in 2050 and the reborn evil nazi monsters take over the world, right?

poland was just fired by its own fear and the "guilt", same happend later with poland joining the european community and the "kartoffeln" with their nationalism shittalk.

italy for example just wanted to make some noise - kohl made them clear to pi$$ off" and they learned to stay away.

the germans made this contract cause they could only now make the contract.

as long as germany was seperated they could not sign any contract, your intention is complete wrong.

sure, many neighbours feared the strong neighbour, but they feared in the same way the western part of germany. so people who thought about "how to avoid the unification" in reality thought about "how to weaken germany"... the old balance of power -game.

gladly this isn´t possible anymore

great britain is a third rate nation, economically weak... sadly they are in the european union (most british do not like the EU, so i think they should have stayed out), but even so, they are without influence in the 21th century.

the same fate will be for germany or france, give them 50-100 years (or less), or the USA... China will be Nr1 in 10 years, in 50 the usa is economically so strong to china like great britain to the usa.
it is the fate of nations to rise and fall... don´t worry, be happy :):cool:
 
Ostalgia is a very fleeting thing in my opinion and rather romanticist in its depiction of East Germany. Unless there was a movement in the West to not unite, then its highly unlikely. Not to mention that the East will lose a huge amount of its population to emmigration.
 

Promor

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Germany will go stronger, the new east european countries will be isolated and without the germans in the european community acting as the big spender and support them to come into the EU, they fall deep and land really hard.
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Entry in EU happened in 2004, 15 years after fall of communism. It wasn't a hellpit of despair:rolleyes:Neither did the European community provided any significiant funds. That was mostly done by already existing international institutions that cover a lot more than Europe(for example IMF).
 

Perkeo

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I may be a bit controversial in saying that the so-called "reunion" 21 years ago is deeply regrettable event. I think it is deeply problematic that the "reunion" is treated as an obvious effect of the end of the dictatorship in DDR.

It is treated as an obvious effect because it WAS an obvious effect. The cold war was the reason why Germany was seperated in the first place, and it is perfectly obvious that removing the cause will usually remove the symptom. You shold also note that until well after 1949, BOTH sides considered the division into East and West Germany to be temporal.

Especially considering if it had been a real reunion, as a real reunion would presumably also have included other territories, like Ostpreussen and Austria, which of course would be even worse ideas.

Since in neither of those territories there would be significant support for such a "real reunion", and Germany is now called a home by almost all people who consider themselves German, the OTL reunion is as real as it gets.

Two German states within the EU would hardly any weirder than Germany and Austria today being seperate states who are both members of the EU.

Note that note that the Austrians were far from unanimously against the Anschluss as late as 1938, even though Austria had not been a member of a German state since 1806 and not been a member of a German confederation since 1866.

You should also look at the results of the East German election general in 1990:

  • Pro-Unification (albeit not necessarily supportive for the quick path that was chosen IOTL): 75,6%
  • PDS (renamed and supposedly reformed SED): 16,4%
  • All others COMBINED: 6.1%
So while there was still some support for Communism, the East Germans fell just short of unanimously rejecting your proposal of a democratic, Pro-EU but seperate East German state.

So, I must ask: is it plausible to avoid the reunion in 1990, and have the two states, both with a democratic government, side by side?

There are only two ways to prevent the German unification:

a) The Germans are not allowed to at acceptable terms - difficult to keep up for many reasons and thus propably a delay rather than a prevention of the unification.

b) The Cold War lasts A LOT longer - see above remarks on Austria.
 
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funny thing is, today something like 15% of germans (mostly in the west - i wonder why...) want the wall back :D

if you want to stop german unification from start, just show the west germans the price tag - 4 trillion D-Mark, and the'll gladly help guard the border.

as the germans say, friendship stops at money.
 
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