Plausibility Check: Native American Nation

An opinion poll

  • A Native American Nation would be a positive thing despite detracting from the OTL US

    Votes: 40 69.0%
  • The United States has been a positive force for the world, more so than a native nation could be

    Votes: 18 31.0%

  • Total voters
    58
Is a fully sovereign Native American nation possible in the OTL U.S. Territory with a post 1600 POD or is the European land lust to great at this point in time? Comments and correction appreciated.
 
Totally possible, just not in the US. The greatest chances for a native state would be 1. The Chan Santa Cruz Republic surviving (Maya rebellion in Mexico that managed to hold onto independence for around a century before being reintegrated forcibly) and 2. Mexico being taken over by the Mestizo and Nahua rather than the OTL slow assimilation. The north american tribes where just too weak to stay independent and there just wherent enough of them to beat the US.

EDIT: That may just be the most unrelated poll a thread has ever had.
 
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Sorry about the two posts, I edited the double post so people wouldnt post on it and itll hopefully die out. Anyway as for the topic at hand what tribes do you think have a shot, and if a Post 1600 POD isnt possible how far back must we go? As for the poll in hindsight its quite off topic, but id like to see if theres even support for a native nation, AH'ers sure seem to like their Ameriwanks.
 
I think 1600 would be too late. You'd have to go far back enough for the Native Americans to contract the worst of the Old World diseases and recover from them before Old World migration takes off. If you can somehow manage to get Old World livestock and the diseases that come along with them to the Southeastern United States during the height of the Mississippian mound-building cultures, you might have a shot, though the resulting societies will not be very recognizable to us (different names, different social organization, different religions, etc).
 

Wolfpaw

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Well a Native American nation-state is on the threshold of independence in Greenland, and Natives in northern Canada who never gave up their lands via treaty in the first place have been flexing their identity, autonomy, and sovereign rights as of late, so...
 
Well a Native American nation-state is on the threshold of independence in Greenland
Well, the Inuit aren't as native as most Native Americans, having arrived thousands of years later, even though they're more native than Europeans et. al.

And in the southern tip of Greenland, weren't Viking settlers actually the first people living there? So I don't think Greenland qualifies as a native state.

Paraguay and Peru are sort of native states, though.
 
Well a Native American nation-state is on the threshold of independence in Greenland, and Natives in northern Canada who never gave up their lands via treaty in the first place have been flexing their identity, autonomy, and sovereign rights as of late, so...

I'd call Bolivia a reformed Native American nation-state thanks to Evo Morales. Paraguay, with its Guarani-speaking mestizo majority, is in a similar ballpark, and Peru and Guatemala might be headed that way as the indigenous population gains more political influence.

Mexico could have been, as the majority still spoke indigenous first languages after independence, but you'd have to get rid of the Spanish language advocacy.
 
I really like the tossing around of ideas, an expedition that manages to spread diseases but never makes it home could have potential. As for the POD it like to keep it late as possible but if we need an earlier POD lets explore that, if anyone has such a POD in mind please share. In terms of the location I did say OTL U.S. so if someone has some ideas about that area it would be great, but that doesn't mean we cant discuss Greenland, Canada etc.
 
Is a fully sovereign Native American nation possible in the OTL U.S. Territory with a post 1600 POD or is the European land lust to great at this point in time? Comments and correction appreciated.
The natives I could see surviving only with Confederate help. The native tribes were to weak and petty to create a US-like union.
 
Perhaps a foreign power (probably Britain) creating a native protectorate in the case of a American defeat in the war of 1812 or more likely a failed American Revolution.
 
Perhaps a foreign power (probably Britain) creating a native protectorate in the case of a American defeat in the war of 1812 or more likely a failed American Revolution.

The British did set aside vast swaths of the North American interior as "Indian Reserve." By that point, though, it was pretty much inevitable that the growing population of European-descended settlers along the coast was going to need an outlet for their unbridled population surplus.
 
The British did set aside vast swaths of the North American interior as "Indian Reserve." By that point, though, it was pretty much inevitable that the growing population of European-descended settlers along the coast was going to need an outlet for their unbridled population surplus.

True. It would require a major effort (ie military commitment) to keep out settlers. Plus it would have to be out of the way somewhere. Canada or Dakota for example. No way to have one east of the Mississippi.
 
The British did set aside vast swaths of the North American interior as "Indian Reserve." By that point, though, it was pretty much inevitable that the growing population of European-descended settlers along the coast was going to need an outlet for their unbridled population surplus.

A protectorate could work, the hard part I suppose would be justifying the reason behind one. The British would be an option but lets not rule out the French or Spanish might they have in interest in such an arrangement?
 
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