Plausibility Check: Irish Monarchy

So in my TL Austria: Never Forget Thy Past, I had (for lack of a better word) a side-plot of the establishment of a Monarchy in Ireland in the late 1930s. I've recently begun work on revamping ANFTP and some of the constructive criticism I've received got me thinking that maybe an independent Irish Monarchy under the House of Guinness (which converts to Catholicism to take the throne of St. Patrick) is a little unlikely. So I was wondering what the likelihood of an Irish Monarchy is?

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Heres a link to A:NFTP if anyone needs it for reference (I don't remember when exactly I have the bulk of the events around this as I haven't gotten anywhere near that far in the revamp yet):
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=85482
 

Thande

Donor
Practically zero by then I'm afraid. Certainly a nativist one is, anyway. All the potentially eligible nobles were too close to the establishment.

Wait, what's the POD of this TL?
 

Thande

Donor
A 1919 Hapsburg restoration in Austria.

Yeah, pretty much no-go. Republicanism was too ingrained, and if there had been a monarchy separate from Britain's the throne would probably have been given to an inoffensive member of the (British) Royal Family. (Here's an ironic thought: Edward VIII stays King of Britain but OTL's George VI becomes King of Ireland, and then after his death the OTL Queen Elizabeth becomes Queen of Ireland...)

You can't just invent monarchies and put anyone on the throne you fancy - well not unless you're Napoleon.
 
Yeah, pretty much no-go. Republicanism was too ingrained, and if there had been a monarchy separate from Britain's the throne would probably have been given to an inoffensive member of the (British) Royal Family. (Here's an ironic thought: Edward VIII stays King of Britain but OTL's George VI becomes King of Ireland, and then after his death the OTL Queen Elizabeth becomes Queen of Ireland...)

You can't just invent monarchies and put anyone on the throne you fancy - well not unless you're Napoleon.
Elizabeth on an Irish Throne... *drools*

Back on point, so are you saying then Thande that an Irish Monarchy is possible in the situation you've suggested or just as an ironic thought.

On a related note, what about the Wittelsbachs? Last I checked they were the most legitimate claim to the Stuart line, granted they're Germans... but at least they're Catholic.
 

Thande

Donor
Back on point, so are you saying then Thande that an Irish Monarchy is possible in the situation you've suggested or just as an ironic thought.
Possible but like a 1% possibility.

On a related note, what about the Wittelsbachs? Last I checked they were the most legitimate claim to the Stuart line, granted they're Germans... but at least they're Catholic.
Britain and Ireland had just been fighting the Germans for 4 years in the bloodiest war the world had ever seen, our Royal Family almost got overthrown for being too German, people aren't going to worry about 17th-century niceties of legitimacy and religion in the twentieth century.
 
Britain and Ireland had just been fighting the Germans for 4 years in the bloodiest war the world had ever seen, our Royal Family almost got overthrown for being too German, people aren't going to worry about 17th-century niceties of legitimacy and religion in the twentieth century.
Well it's actually about 18 years post Versailles, but point taken.

All well, an Irish Monarchy was fun while it lasted.
 
I think I read a TL about a Napoleonic invasion of either Britain or Ireland and one of Nappy's relatives placed on an Irish throne.
 
On a related note, what about the Wittelsbachs? Last I checked they were the most legitimate claim to the Stuart line, granted they're Germans... but at least they're Catholic.

If a legitimist candidate is what you want then the O'Conor Dons are what you're after. After all, they're (a) Irish; (b) Catholic and (c) directly descended from the pre-conquest high kings. From the Irish Times in 2000:

"it is generally acknowledged that the holder of the title would be the foremost claimant to the Irish throne, if one were proposed. Over the last few hundred years, members of the O'Conor family have continued to contribute to the social, political, cultural and religious life of Ireland. The fact that they remained staunchly Catholic during the dark days of the Penal Laws in the eighteenth century, is a source of great pride."

But Thande's right, anything other than a republic with a 20thC POD is borderline ASB. A successful home rule campaign in the 19thC *might* give you an Irish monarchy in the same way as Canada or Australia got one (i.e. the British monarch with a local badge), but the 20thC is almost certainly too late.
 

Thande

Donor
A successful home rule campaign in the 19thC *might* give you an Irish monarchy in the same way as Canada or Australia got one (i.e. the British monarch with a local badge)

I think it's also possible (though less likely) that the throne might be given to one of the King's relatives as a compromise to start a new dynasty, as in Decades of Darkness. The advantage of this is that this separate King of Ireland would not have to take an oath to be Defender of the Faith as the King of Great Britain does - it's this oath which ultimately caused a lot of the problems.
 
I know it's Before 1900, but I always was interested in that attempt of Henry VIII making his bastard son king of Ireland. Of course, he was convinced by his counsellors that it would be a bad idea, but if there is one king that could push such plan even against the best advices he would be Henry VIII.
 
Not an independent Irish monarchy, but in the CoHE Ireland of the 1850's, Ireland has its own parliament, (this TL's) King William IV went to Dublin for a separate investiture as King of Ireland, and his heir, in addition to being Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay is also Duke of Dublin. That's as far as I felt I could realisticly take it. Also, I'm not sure that the crowns will remain united throughout TTL's 20th Century.
 
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