Plausibility check? Genghis Khan born in Russia?

I don't literally mean what if Genghis Khan was born in Russia, only figuratively.

What if a Khan equivalent was born in one of the contemporary Russia states, while Khan and relevant Mongolians die young before conquering anything.

Instead, we have Russians conquering most of Europe, North China, Siberia, the Middle East, and Central Asia?

Is this remotely plausible?
 
I´m not sure why Genghis Khan would magically be able to do what he did just because he is what he is.

Maybe just maybe one should not look only at him but at the society he was raised, born and the the society he controlled and the society that made up most of his army.


Plausible? Maybe but not because of his "magical genes", so I guess the entire concept of "X being born in Y instead" is totally nonsensical.
 
I don't literally mean what if Genghis Khan was born in Russia, only figuratively.

What if a Khan equivalent was born in one of the contemporary Russia states, while Khan and relevant Mongolians die young before conquering anything.

Instead, we have Russians conquering most of Europe, North China, Siberia, the Middle East, and Central Asia?

Is this remotely plausible?
No

Russian states didn't have the strategic mobility that the Nomadic tribes did.

Now if you want the Magyars or the Poles to do this then you might have a chance (so long as one of them absorbed the other)
 
Not enough manpower (he ghost Khan brought in a lot of Turkic and Siberian tribes prior to the conquests he is more famous for), no strategy to draw upon that would be as successful and an authority tied to a specific religion would make this virtually impossible.
 

PhilippeO

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No, Genghis Khan success is from success of Mongols at that time, a very sophisticated nomadic society. 1) They have very mobile nomadic community, where nearly everybody is warrior, and can pick battle at leisure 2) They have sophisticated political system, from historical Liao and interaction with Chinese neighbours 3) They have enough knowledge of metallury, heavy cavalry and siege to utilize heavy cavalry and siege train.

And they benefit from disunity and incompetence of many surrounding lands at that time.

Russian (or Magyar and Poles) is rather settled society with horse riding aristocracy, they have rather fractitious noble class with simpler management and treasury, and they did not have nomadic light cavalry archer that Mongols use effectively.
 
Russian (or Magyar and Poles) is rather settled society with horse riding aristocracy, they have rather fractitious noble class with simpler management and treasury, and they did not have nomadic light cavalry archer that Mongols use effectively.

The Magyars / Hungarians certainly did!
 
I don't literally mean what if Genghis Khan was born in Russia, only figuratively.

What if a Khan equivalent was born in one of the contemporary Russia states, while Khan and relevant Mongolians die young before conquering anything.

Instead, we have Russians conquering most of Europe, North China, Siberia, the Middle East, and Central Asia?

Is this remotely plausible?
I'm afraid, no.

The recipe for world-conquering:

1) take the worst place on Earth suitable only for nomadic way of life; with the severest climatic conditions; where the winters are cold and windy as on Mars; the summers are hot as in hell
2) throw there some people and horses for a millennium or so, which makes those who survive harder than coffin's nails
3) every 5-10 years the droughts are a necessity, so these people are forced to kill for a piece of food; so only the fittest live another day
4) make this people be part of the greatest nomadic and non-nomadic empires repeatedly through their history
5) give them Genghis Khan
 
nomadic.

magyars/lithuanian horse archer is different from mongols horse archer. they often serve boyar, attached to certain location, have single horse, couldn't campaign for long away from home, their livelihood come from agriculture not herds, etc.
Difference between couldn't and didn't.

Mongols didn't cross Eurasia before Genghis - the Magyars managed well enough getting to Hungary
 
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