Plausibility check: Five Races, Five Countries.

To oversimplify things, the Q'ing Empire consisted of Five Races Under One Union despite being dominated by a sort of hybrid Han-Manchu culture, particularly in the political and urban spheres. The five races were the Han, the Manchu, the Mongols, the Tibetans, and the Hui, who at the time seem to have included the Uighurs for oficial purposes. Thus, my question is this: Is it possible to have today an independent state for each of these five groups today with a POD sometime after 1912 but before 1945?

I'm aware that ethnic Manchus would likely be a minority in any viable, independent Manchuria with such a POD, but I suspect that there would be ways to manipulate this.

In essence, I want, as separate countries today:

  • A Mongol state (easy since there is one in OTL)
  • A Manchu state (obviously with strong Han influences)
  • A Han state, preferably Han chauvinist in character
  • A Uighur state (Presumably all of modern Sinkiang)
  • A Tibetan state

Is it possible? Discuss.
 
This doesn't seem that hard.

We've already got Mongolia. Tibet can stay independent as long as they have someone protecting them or China is relatively weak. Manchuria already existed in the 1930s as a Japanese puppet. So what we need is a WW2 with Japan on the winning side and China on the losing side. This leaves Manchuria independent and China too weak to take Tibet. Maybe a TL where Chiang aligns himself with Nazi Germany thus alienating the Japanese and pushing them into neutrality (or maybe even into the allied camp). The Uighur state is the hardest. Maybe the Soviets carve it out of China as a puppet state after the alt-WW2 I mentioned?
 

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Acctually East Turkestan was independent during the warlord era, so just have China never getting strong again and you'd have your Uighur state.
 
Yeah, I think your biggest problem is a Manchu State with any legitimacy. It will be majority Han less you have serious population transfers and even then I doubt it could work. I suppose it is plausible that as the Qing Dynasty collapses the Manchu are so heavily persecuted they flee to Manchuria in huge numbers.

If we want to get fancy, having one of the last Qing Emperors create the state in the first place as a "Empire of China" that becomes an "Empire of Manchuria" (with Japanese help of course) would probably give the state its best chance of legitimacy. I can see a WWI where Russia loses and Outer Manchuria is taken by the Manchurian Army (except Vladivostok) as a reconquest could also occur.

The issue is any state existing would be hugely influenced by Japan who probably wouldn't want to be passive actors...
 
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