Plausibility check: Canadian provinces and the U.S.

Pre-1900, were there any provinces and territories at all in Canada and the British North American regions that would have wanted to join the U.S.?

And were there any that wanted to not join Canada? Besides Quebec and Newfoundland, I mean.
 
Well Confederation in 1867 was originally supposed to be just the Maritime Provinces (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island) but Upper and Lower Canada (Ontario and Quebec respectively) crashed the party. But all of these areas were heavily settled by the Loyalists that fled the 'rebel' United States in the ARW... and even 100+ years later they were very British in thinking. And following the militarization of the US during the ACW, there was a lot of nervousness in the various parts that became Canada of being taken over involuntarily, which spurred Confederation.

British Columbia is a long term possibility, if they went their own way and then found it difficult to be viable as an independent state... but not likely IMO. And the Prairie provinces, or territories at the time, were too underpopulated until actively settled by Canada. Maybe a Metis-nation that managed to set itself up as a legitimate government, but why would they choose to join a monoglot country rather than the bilingual Canada? (Metis were French-speaking)...

You'd need an early POD and some big butterflies I think. One thing that has always distinguished Canucks is that we're not Americans (for good and bad).
 
If 54-40 or fight had gone differently, then all of Oregon Country would have become a territory in the United States. But they never would have been Canadian provinces, so that wouldn't have counted.
 
The Maritimes considered union now and again (and PEI demurred from Confederation until 1873). B.C considered union now and again and was convinced only through crazy promises (amusingly the trans-continental was built). Newfoundland is an example of course. And the existence of Confederation was at least somewhat contingent; the fact Britain wanted it ensured it occurred, but if enough people didn't want it it wouldn't have worked. The Canadas were pretty deadlocked by the early 1860s, but one could see some sort of political settlement preventing confederation. Other earlier PoDs (the failure of the post-Durham responsible government coalitions for example) could lead to interesting results.
 
Who here is a Canadian? Cuz most of you seem to be from a different Confederation than me. ;)

@Duchie: IIRC, actually, it was largely the Canadas (ie, Ontario and Quebec) that were behind confederation. Despite how much they complain nowadays, Quebec was largely in favour in 1867. Nova Scotia was actually vehemently opposed, was brought in largely by the efforts of its Premier, Charles Tupper, and had a small but vocal separatist movement for the first decade or so.

As mentioned above, PEI didn't join until its attempt to build a railroad (across an island not even 200km across! Jeez!) bankrupted it, and ditto for BC (and for Newfoundland 80 years later). However, the odds of any of them wanting to join the states is pretty much nonexistent: Confederation came about, at least in part, to keep the States from moving north, and everyone was more or less a contented british subject (even, at that time, the Quebecois).
 

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However, the odds of any of them wanting to join the states is pretty much nonexistent: Confederation came about, at least in part, to keep the States from moving north, and everyone was more or less a contented british subject (even, at that time, the Quebecois).

How dare they not want to join us, let's invade:mad:
 
Oh that already happened. And we all know the fate of that war:D

In 1812 we were just sitting around
Minding our own business putting crops into the ground
We heard the Yankees coming and we didn't like the sound
So we took a trip to Washington and burned it to the ground!

And the White House burned, burned, burned
Though the Yankees won't admit it!
It burned, burned, burned
And burned and burned and burned
It burned burned burned
Was Canadians who did it.
And the government ran and cried like a bunch of little babies- Wah-wah-waaah!
In the War of 1812!

Oh- we fired our guns but the Yankees kept a comin'
But there weren't quite as many as there were a while ago
We fired once more and the Yankees started runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico-
O-OOOO-OOOOO!
They ran through the snow and they ran through the forest!
They ran through the bushes where the beavers wouldn't go!
They ran so fast they forgot to take their culture,
Down the Mississippi back to Gulf and Texaco.

So listen up Americans
Relax, just be nice.
Or we'll take a trip to Washingtoooooooon
And burn the White House twice!
;)
 
I played that song for my uber-nationalist roommate a few weeks back, and he had some very interesting things to say about Canada.
 
In 1812 we were just sitting around
Minding our own business putting crops into the ground
We heard the Yankees coming and we didn't like the sound
So we took a trip to Washington and burned it to the ground!

And the White House burned, burned, burned
Though the Yankees won't admit it!
It burned, burned, burned
And burned and burned and burned
It burned burned burned
Was Canadians who did it.
And the government ran and cried like a bunch of little babies- Wah-wah-waaah!
In the War of 1812!

Oh- we fired our guns but the Yankees kept a comin'
But there weren't quite as many as there were a while ago
We fired once more and the Yankees started runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico-
O-OOOO-OOOOO!
They ran through the snow and they ran through the forest!
They ran through the bushes where the beavers wouldn't go!
They ran so fast they forgot to take their culture,
Down the Mississippi back to Gulf and Texaco.

So listen up Americans
Relax, just be nice.
Or we'll take a trip to Washingtoooooooon
And burn the White House twice! ;)

No puts it better than a trio three dead trolls.
 
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