Plausibility check: Brest-Litovsk treaty in 1905 ?

what if Germany destabilize Russia in 1905 . by example backing Russian socialist movement and polish party like Pilsudski with money and arms.
tsarist regime barely survived revolution of 1905.If someone actively backed anti-tsarists opposition , it will end up as 1917. Romanov grand dukes were already making travel arragament to leave Russia . so if Russian government collapse in 1905 could German get Brest-Litovsk treaty in east ?
 
how to isolated Russia in German Russian war in 1905

Germany threat France it can turn west instead east if France interfered in German Russian war. British backed Japan in Russo-Japanese war.instead of Moroccan crisis we get Polish crisis. British are anti-Russian in 1905.
 
The Anglo-Russian Entente was not signed until 1907, so only France would be obligated to come to Russia's aid, given that Germany doesn't pull a stupid move and declare war against France, which would bring the British in. Britain would likely trade to both sides, although they may want to find a casus belli to enter the war against Germany.

In 1905, Russia is much weaker in comparison to Germany as in 1914, and in this case, unlike in OTL, Germany would be more likely to win a long war against a weakened, revolutionary Russia. Once again, this is if Britain doesn't find a way into the war, which is unlikely though possible. Basically, if Britian doesn't join, Germany has a large chance of winning, and if Britain joins late, the war will have probably already been decided in Germany's favor. If Britain joins early though, it will most likely end as it did in OTL.
 
Incredibly unlikely in the extreme due to the Germans not wanting to foster socialism anywhere. They're far more likely to intervene to overthrow the revolution than they are to deliberately overthrow the tsar in order to secure a brigands peace.
 
Incredibly unlikely in the extreme due to the Germans not wanting to foster socialism anywhere. They're far more likely to intervene to overthrow the revolution than they are to deliberately overthrow the tsar in order to secure a brigands peace.

The Germans could give the Socialists arms and supplies, then play the Tsardom and the Socialists off against each other. When both are weakened Germany would intervene and set up conservative puppet governments as in Brest-Litovsk, then crush the socialist opposition in Russia. Hopefully the Tsar will still be alive to keep the nation from delving back into civil war.

It may seem implausible, but it is basically what happened in 1917-1918, and what may have happened later on in a CP victory scenario.
 
The Germans could give the Socialists arms and supplies, then play the Tsardom and the Socialists off against each other. When both are weakened Germany would intervene and set up conservative puppet governments as in Brest-Litovsk, then crush the socialist opposition in Russia. Hopefully the Tsar will still be alive to keep the nation from delving back into civil war.

It may seem implausible, but it is basically what happened in 1917-1918, and what may have happened later on in a CP victory scenario.

And yet that happened as a consequence of one of the most dire wars in human history, which was an existential struggle for all powers in a gambit which ultimately failed to produce the desired result. You can't honestly tell me that Wilhelm would allow anything close to this being done against his beloved cousin out of simple naked opportunism. You're talking about real people with real moral compunctions about things most of the time, they wot just turn on friend and family because they think they can carve an empire out of the ashes of the Russian empire.
 
If Germany had the benefit of hindsight, presuming there had to be a war, then 1905 seems like the best bet where they can gain a European empire.
 
And yet that happened as a consequence of one of the most dire wars in human history, which was an existential struggle for all powers in a gambit which ultimately failed to produce the desired result. You can't honestly tell me that Wilhelm would allow anything close to this being done against his beloved cousin out of simple naked opportunism. You're talking about real people with real moral compunctions about things most of the time, they wot just turn on friend and family because they think they can carve an empire out of the ashes of the Russian empire.

Wilhelm II and Nicholas II were not on very good terms throughout their life, and Wilhelm was not going to let family get in the way of empire building, as shown in the Willy-Nicky Telegrams before the escalation of the First World War. If the perfect opportunity arose for Willy to build a continental empire without the threat of the British Empire, I don't see him letting it pass up if the proper justification is created.
 

Driftless

Donor
How would the British general public feel towards Russia in 1905, following the Dogger Bank Incident of October 1904?

Incident

The Dogger Bank incident (also known as the North Sea Incident, the Russian Outrage or the Incident of Hull) occurred on the night of 21/22 October 1904, when the Russian Baltic Fleet mistook some British trawlers in the Dogger Bank area of the North Sea for an Imperial Japanese Navy force and fired on them. Russian warships also fired on each other in the chaos of the melée. Three British fishermen died and a number were wounded. One sailor and a priest aboard a Russian cruiser caught in the crossfire were also killed. The incident almost led to war between Britain and Russia.

Aftermath

The incident led to a serious diplomatic conflict between Russia and Britain, which was particularly dangerous due to the Anglo-Japanese Alliance. In the aftermath some British newspapers called the Russian fleet 'pirates' and Admiral Rozhestvensky was heavily criticised for not leaving the British sailors lifeboats. The editorial of the morning's Times was particularly scathing:

"It is almost inconceivable that any men calling themselves seamen, however frightened they might be, could spend twenty minutes bombarding a fleet of fishing boats without discovering the nature of their target."​

The Royal Navy prepared for war, with 28 battleships of the Home Fleet being ordered to raise steam and prepare for action, while British cruiser squadrons shadowed the Russian fleet as it made its way through the Bay of Biscay and down the coast of Portugal.
 

Nestor

Banned
I think for some Brest-Litovsk type treaty to come about, the 1905 revolution would have to be successful and Germany goes to war with revolutionary Russia to restore the Romanovs and receives Poland, the Baltic provinces and Finland in return.
 
Wilhelm II and Nicholas II were not on very good terms throughout their life, and Wilhelm was not going to let family get in the way of empire building, as shown in the Willy-Nicky Telegrams before the escalation of the First World War. If the perfect opportunity arose for Willy to build a continental empire without the threat of the British Empire, I don't see him letting it pass up if the proper justification is created.

Except this opportunity arose, and they didn't take it, because that's what actually happened in OTL.
 
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