Plausibility Check: An Independent Bavaria After 1871?

CaliGuy

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Question--would it have been realistic for Prussia to win the Franco-Prussian War and yet to refuse to include Bavaria in the new German Empire afterwards (perhaps due to Bavaria's large number of Catholics)?

Any thoughts on this?
 

CaliGuy

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This thread needs to be moved to the correct section; indeed, I have already reported this thread to the mods.

Anyway, I'm sorry for this screw-up! :(
 

CaliGuy

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Question--would it have been realistic for Prussia to win the Franco-Prussian War and yet to refuse to include Bavaria in the new German Empire afterwards (perhaps due to Bavaria's large number of Catholics)?

Any thoughts on this?
For the record, this religion map shows what exactly I am talking about here:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...itung_der_Konfessionen_im_deutschen_Reich.jpg

Verbreitung_der_Konfessionen_im_deutschen_Reich.jpg
 
I would have thought that annoying as the Prussians may have found the Bavarians, a Germany without Bavaria is a bit short of Germany. It no longer looks like the real deal with Austria as the outsider but just another "I could have been a contender" of a federation.
 

CaliGuy

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I would have thought that annoying as the Prussians may have found the Bavarians, a Germany without Bavaria is a bit short of Germany. It no longer looks like the real deal with Austria as the outsider but just another "I could have been a contender" of a federation.
Very true.
 
Can you please elaborate on this?
Given Bavarian official opinion on German unification ever since 1848 ff., and the total lack of Prussian reluctance to incorporate Catholic territories like Westphalia and the Rhineland, I would say that it´s much more likely for Bavaria to opt out than for Prussia to keep them out.
And Bavaria didn`t mind so much because of confessional matters, but because their kings didn`t want to become sidelined by a mega- Prussia.
 

CaliGuy

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Given Bavarian official opinion on German unification ever since 1848 ff., and the total lack of Prussian reluctance to incorporate Catholic territories like Westphalia and the Rhineland, I would say that it´s much more likely for Bavaria to opt out than for Prussia to keep them out.
And Bavaria didn`t mind so much because of confessional matters, but because their kings didn`t want to become sidelined by a mega- Prussia.
Didn't Prussia hesitate to annex Austrian territory in 1866 due to their unwillingness to put more Catholics into Prussia, though?
 
Is there a possibility that Bavaria would drift into Austria's orbit and eventually even be partially integrated, so Austria has a sort of "South German Union" to compete with Prussia's North German one? Not that either would be truly German in that it represents all German people.

With Bavaria at least associated with them, how would this change the Austrian State? Might we see an avoidance of the Dual Monarchy due to more Germans dominating the state than OTL? Would all that make it a more or less stable state, considering that Hungarians would still have reasons to support the Habsburgs.
 
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