Plausibility Check: A Japanese-Australian Alliance in a CP-victory TL?

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
In a timeline where America never gets Pacific possessions and the alt-Entente loses alt-WWI and Britain goes through a Syndicalist revolution or whatever after the war, is Australia ready to throw its lot in with a democratic Japan in order to maintain stability in its part of the world? If so, what happens to the White Australia policy?
 
Well, given the "ifs" in that sentence are pretty epic -- I'll leave it to others to say if the last one is ASB or not -- I'd say it sounds plausible.
 
What part of 'After 1900' do you not understand?

The US gained its Pacific possession before 1900. However, in the end - disregarding most of your OP - no Japanese-Australian Alliance at all.
 

Fenlander

Banned
I dunno, assuming a CP-victory ends with a Britain hostile to its former dominions, I could see Australia picking up the Anglo-Japanese Alliance. Of course, the question here is what happens to Japan? It shouldn't be *that* difficult to butterfly the totalitarion expansionist dictatorship it became IOTL.
 
I can't see why not - an Australia freed of British foreign policy would have to make its own decisions and choices, and an alliance with Japan would make sense, and wouldn't require changing immigration policy. Japan would be making its own decisions based on its own strategic interests, and not do more than symbolically request any changes - after all, the US policies didn't create a rift in this time period.

Obviously, the exact course of events is important, but in a CP victory timeline its possible that Britain has agreed to hand back German colonies occupied by Australians, and Australia may be looking to refuse but need a strong ally so that Germany doesn't try it by force

Alternatively, Germany may cede most of its Pacific possessions and then Japan and Australia could end up near neighbours

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
What part of 'After 1900' do you not understand?

The US gained its Pacific possession before 1900. However, in the end - disregarding most of your OP - no Japanese-Australian Alliance at all.

Yes, I did mistakenly post in the wrong forum. And yes, I'm aware of when the US got its Pacific possessions (we've discussed the Pacific before in that other forum).
 
Yes, I did mistakenly post in the wrong forum. And yes, I'm aware of when the US got its Pacific possessions (we've discussed the Pacific before in that other forum).

Come to think of it, I believe that there is an Australian-Japanese Alliance mentioned in Moorcock's The Land Leviathan.
 
Apartheid South Africa in the 70s and 80s viewed Japanese as 'honorary whites' so I don't see why a White Australia Australia couldn't do the same.
 

NothingNow

Banned
Apartheid South Africa in the 70s and 80s viewed Japanese as 'honorary whites' so I don't see why a White Australia Australia couldn't do the same.

There's the whole Yellow Peril thing. They might not be comfortable with that level of relationship. IMO It'd be more likely to see them throw their lot in with New Zealand, and either the Dutch or the US.
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
Possible spoilers in the relationship:

The big one is which German (and likely British and possibly Syndie French) Pacific possessions fall to who after alt-WWI and whether this creates any continuing grievances.

If there is a Russian civil war, Japan might be able to create a White buffer state around Vladivostok in the absence of American strong-arming which might remove the impetus to encroach on Manchuria as a means to protect Korea and compete with Russia. The Philippines and Guam would likely end up in Japanese hands whether they were obtained in a Japanese-Spanish war or won from Germany after the latter purchased them. This might re-orient Japan's expansionist thrust away from China and into the Pacific.

I'm going to assume Hawaii is most likely to end up as a British protectorate if it doesn't go to the US. An alternate Hawaiian monarchy might be more hostile to foreign encroachment in this timeline, but if the British-Japanese alliance overrides those concerns, you might still get the same numbers of Japanese immigrants coming to Hawaii as contract labourers. With Britain out of the picture, I wonder whether Australia and Canada will take it upon themselves to protect British possessions and protectorates in the Pacific. This would put them at loggerheads with any Japanese designs on Hawaii in the 20s. Realistically though, I think Australia could only hope (and would only desire) to protect NZ, Fiji and east Papua. Canada or the US might take more of an interest in Hawaii.

What would a victorious Germany's capacity be to go win back its Pacific possessions in this time period?
 
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