Plausable timeline for map

[von kressenstein]

Looking for a plausable time line for this map..

notes:
Byzantine Russia was founded by Ivan as he commits russia to retake constantinople ( which takes several hundred years)

The united Commonwealth of Britannia and Germania is like a dual Crown system
Germania would be a united under the hapsburgs with Austria totally integrated into it.. like a Holy Roman Empire gone totally federal ..

Very expansionistic eastward bent. governement is fairly liberal and non opressive.. all the Duchies ( states) are fairly autonomous, reigious freedoms are practiced as is freedom of speech and free enterprise.. more like a british/united States form of government


Rome is a recent country to the scene .. like papal states and Venice join under 1 crown or the kingdom of the 2 scicilys goes on a land spree

Greece also recently gained independence from the ottomans who are also fighting a loosing battle with the russians and persians and the revolting egyptians..

China has emerged from a civil war and war with russia as two seperate countries and tibet declaring independence..

Japan has been swallowed up by a more westernly powerfull russia


any thoughts or ideas would be appriciated.. been trying to put a time line to this.. and its been a rough go trying to make it work..

 

[Max Sinister]

The hardest challenges on the way: The destruction of France and the unification of Germany and Britain (and so on).

Some bits are somewhat unclear, like the Amazonian republic and the Oceanus Federation.

 

[von kressenstein]

that was some of the problems i was having..

Amazonia i figured was a relitive newcommer.. probably under iberian/mali control..

In this time line the vikings show up in NA first on the eastern coast and the Russians beat the punch to the west coast..

I rather see some form of Norway/sweden/denmark union being incorperated into by personal union or war greater Germania.. finland and the Novogrod region taken by war .. the baltics by war and partitioning of poland/lithuania..

I was also thinking at some time countries north of the alps split with the church and all go protastant.. france, iberia stay catholic.. greece and russia obviously eastern orthodox

the french are the tough nut..

maybe the Battle of Bouvines geos the other way and Otto and John win over the king of france

I was thinking this POD would have to start somewhere around 1000 AD.. it was kinda an idea i had by reading all the various PODS that surface and do a pretty decent job and then i made a map displaying early 20th century lands..

 

[a989chris]

I have a few questions.

1. Is the New France in south america a government in exile because its homeland is united with germania and britain?

2. How did the native american nations come about? Did they assimilate as European countries or are they still their own culture? What is their relationship to europe/african colonies?

3. Is there any history of african slavery in this timeline at all, or do they match europe in technology?

 

[alt_historian]

On country names

I have to say, I can't countries actually calling themselves 'Northern India', Northern Atzlan Kingdom, and 'Southern Atzlan Kingdom'.

Then again, in OTL there is the Central African Republic, so maybe its just me...

Also, surely Russian Hawaii would just be known as... well, Hawaii. And Russian Northern Kaliforniya, R. Kaliforniya, and R. S. Kal would just be known as North, South and plain Kaliforniya?

One final thing - maybe alter the colours, so that the Oceanus Federation and Chinese Empire are more distinct from each other. They seem to merge into one, at least on my screen.

Well, that's my withering criticism done for today - sorry I don't have anything constructive to contribute, like (God forbid) a timeline or something...

 

[Max Sinister]

If the Russians are strong enough to take Constantinople, why don't they liberate Greece on the way?

Maybe if it happens at the same time: Russia defeats Ottomans in war, and the Greeks use the opportunity to rise up and win independence.

 

[King Gorilla]

Well in the case of this world's Russia, it appears to be a Kiev centric rather than Moscow centric state. Given its Byzantine title I would imagine a russian dynsty has controlled the empire for quite some time. While it has managed to hold contantinople and trabazon, there seems to have been little interest for it to reconquer and hold onto most of byzantium's greek territories. Incidentally, Novograd appears to have fallen completely under the cultural and economic sway of either the Scandinavians or the Baltic Germans. I

 

[Philip]

Well in the case of this world's Russia, it appears to be a Kiev centric rather than Moscow centric state.

The OP identified the empire as being founded by Ivan, presumably Ivan III or Ivan IV. This would make it, at least initially, centered on Moscow.

Incidentally, Novograd appears to have fallen completely under the cultural and economic sway of either the Scandinavians or the Baltic Germans. I

Again, the OP states that Novograd was conquered by the Commonwealth

 

[von kressenstein]

I have a few questions.

1. Is the New France in south america a government in exile because its homeland is united with germania and britain?

2. How did the native american nations come about? Did they assimilate as European countries or are they still their own culture? What is their relationship to europe/african colonies?

3. Is there any history of african slavery in this timeline at all, or do they match europe in technology?

as for 1. New France is a French Kingdom in Exile..

the way i have it pictured is France was defeated after a major continental wide power struggle.. was occupied by the powers at hand and then incorporated into a new Europe

2. The Native American populations, assimilated more and i also planned a less hostile invasion of the continent by Europeans starting with the Vikings who fare much better in this time line.. Germans are a real late comer and only after the fall of France and the merging of the continent into the commonwealth do they pick up territory.

Some parts of Africa such as Mali have endured for over 500 years and are technologically on par with the European nations.. The Ottomans is starting to age and is being pressed by all sides.. Rome is relative newcomer.. However there had been a small slave trade early on and some euro colonization in the area.. But it was not as ruthless to the indigenous populations.. However i do envision all colonial territories go through the same process as they did in our time line with colonial type wars of independence..

Ethiopa is another African Nation that had faired quite well.. the Zulu also never quite subdued.. Ghana is a former colonial

 

[DominusNovus]

Egypt shouldn't look like that. The Nile has never been a border. More like the only part of the country that is worth anything. If egypt is independent, then it should be on both sides of the Nile.

Other than that, very cool map.

 

[von kressenstein]

If the Russians are strong enough to take Constantinople, why don't they liberate Greece on the way?

Maybe if it happens at the same time: Russia defeats Ottomans in war, and the Greeks use the opportunity to rise up and win independence.

exactly how I was thinking.. The ottomans intially control the vast swaths.. defeating byzantium .. Ivan the III takes the mantle through marriage and over the next 2 years or so through wars of single minded attrition to the south fight to recapture Constantinople.. at the same time the greeks themselves are fighting for national identity ( not necesarily Byzantian Identity).. i do envision the Romonovs in control of this empire.

The empire is more Byzantine and Asiatic in nature and so looks east more often then west.. thogh they due have their eyes on the remainder of anatolia and the balkans to the south of the Comonwealth

I had also envisioned a stronger scandinavian league of sweden, norway, finland, and novogrod-estonia region in the north.. with a strong Germanic-polish-lithuainian concentration in the center.. of Europa that merge through marriage and shared history which is the foundation of the comonwealth.. earlier parlamentary monoarchies in europe with less autocratic rule and less in fighting. more of a united states of Europe emerging after the Dark ages so that around 1800 Northern Europa is 1 country.. Iberia and Rome have there own cultural herritages with Ibeara having been conquored by the Calphate they are neither roman nor Northern European... they are also not Anti-Christian and actually mellowed quite a bit over the years to form a thocratic republic

 

[von kressenstein]

Egypt shouldn't look like that. The Nile has never been a border. More like the only part of the country that is worth anything. If egypt is independent, then it should be on both sides of the Nile.

Other than that, very cool map.

Well i envisioned it as something akin to modern iraq.. if you made a map of what areas are currently enforcably controlled by the government its a pretty small area.. or Afgahnistan.. once again outside of select areas it has little control.. so the ailing Ottomans are slowley being pushed out of Egypt and the African possessions are being dismantled.. their are greek interests in the north of Egypt as well that are an ongoing concern.. and the Ottomans after humiliating defeats against the russians and greeks are doing what ever they can to stave off elimination by the Persian, Russian and Greek Armies. Alas it may be too little too late for them in africa in the long run since it is one of the few Autocratic Nations left..

 

[DominusNovus]

Well i envisioned it as something akin to modern iraq.. if you made a map of what areas are currently enforcably controlled by the government its a pretty small area.. or Afgahnistan.. once again outside of select areas it has little control.. so the ailing Ottomans are slowley being pushed out of Egypt and the African possessions are being dismantled.. their are greek interests in the north of Egypt as well that are an ongoing concern.. and the Ottomans after humiliating defeats against the russians and greeks are doing what ever they can to stave off elimination by the Persian, Russian and Greek Armies. Alas it may be too little too late for them in africa in the long run since it is one of the few Autocratic Nations left..

It very well could control lower (northern) egypt while rebels control upper (southern) egypt. But the control would be *around* the Nile rather than *next* to it. Put it this way: Picture the desert on either side of the nile as totally useless (cuz it pretty much is). Hell, picture it as part of the ocean (foregoing concerns about navies), with the nile being the thin strip of land. In that situation, you won't see the front line going all along that strip of land, but across it at some point. Same here.

 

[von kressenstein]

It very well could control lower (northern) egypt while rebels control upper (southern) egypt. But the control would be *around* the Nile rather than *next* to it. Put it this way: Picture the desert on either side of the nile as totally useless (cuz it pretty much is). Hell, picture it as part of the ocean (foregoing concerns about navies), with the nile being the thin strip of land. In that situation, you won't see the front line going all along that strip of land, but across it at some point. Same here.

da.. that would make sence