Plans for Moscow in a Hypothetical Axis Victory?

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They operated from a shared set of delusions centered on National Socialist theory. If reality contradicted the theory then reality was wrong and needed to be ignored or worked around.
I'm not sure there was a coherent ideology. It was whatever Hitler said it was at any time even if that was different than what he said a week ago.

Since Stalin did not even live within Moscow, he would not be concerned about the loss. Unless his dacha is captured or Stalin himself is captured, the war would continue.
He mostly lived in his apartment in the Kremlin. His Dacha was west of the city, so if it fell, that would mean his Dacha fell first.
 
The Soviets might have burned Moscow to the ground before the Nazis could capture it anyway. Like Napoleon before him, Hitler would be left with nothing but scorched earth.
 

BlondieBC

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I don't think they wanted cities in Russia, just idealized German farming towns built on Russian slave labor...

Yes, it is a plantation system. Replace black slaves with Slavic Slaves. These slaves were to be taught to sign their name, the alphabet, and to count to 100. Less than a Kindergarten education level. And this tells us a lot about what is practical.

  • Almost no mechanization of the farms. If you can't read at all, you can't read the repair manual. You also have not been taught things like very basic physics or chemistry, and by very basic I mean the science we teach 8 year old children.
  • Farms can't be too big. It was to be a German family running it. Presumably veteran, wife, plus 8-10 children. A man plus 2-3 children can supervise what, maybe 15 slaves on the farm. Add it women and children, there are probably about 40 slaves. We appear to be looking at farms in the low to mid hundreds of acres.
  • Farms don't generate much of a surplus. While the Germans could use modern (1950's fertilizer), otherwise, we probably should look at 1840's slave plantation for production figures. And we have to adjust for really good land in the Deep South of the USA for much less marginal, cold land in Russia.
  • Then there would be the needed towns to support these farms. Just to guess, say we have two farms per section. Population density of about 100 per square mile. You probably need a farming town with things like a doctor for every 100 to 400 sections of land.
  • There would be big slave labor camps at critical mines.
  • You then build you government cities. I believe people have posted maps of where these were planned.
 
A review of topographical maps and flood plain maps reveals that mere apathy is enough to flood the southern half of Moscow and the western half of Leningrad/Petrograd/Saint Petersburg.

The Kremlin sits on a hill overlooking the Moscow River and rail yards are farther north, on higher ground. However the Moscow River is slow and shallow (3-6 metres) with numerous meanders and oxbows surrounded by swampy farmland. IOW for thousands of years, the Moscow River has gradually nibbled at the hill the Kremlin sits on. A clever hydrologist could accelerate the process and watch the Kremlin collapse into the river within his lifetime.
Merely rupturing dams - along the Moscow Volga Canal - would seasonally flood the southern half of Moscow .... everything south of the Kremlin.

Petrograd was built in a swampy River delta. Autumn storms have flooded the lower, western parts hundreds of times. Merely neglecting dams and drainage canals would allow Petrograd's low-lying western half to revert to tidal swamp.
 
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