As mentioned above, neither economics nor law are my strong suits.
If I've really gotten my facts wrong, please tell me!
If I've really gotten my facts wrong, please tell me!
Place In the Sun: What If Italy Joined the Central Powers? (1.0)
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This is now a mess of epic proportions. A ruined American economy, Europe a mess...
And if Mexico had asked for reparations it might have gone over adequately. But declaring war gives Hughes a chance to try to salvage his administration with a short victorious war...those oft don''t go well.
Heck, one torpedo or mine in an American predreadnought carrying out a bombardment, and we have "Mexico sinks American battleship!"
And if Mexico had asked for reparations it might have gone over adequately. But declaring war gives Hughes a chance to try to salvage his administration with a short victorious war...those oft don''t go well.
Heck, one torpedo or mine in an American predreadnought carrying out a bombardment, and we have "Mexico sinks American battleship!"
*evil laughter*
Wilson remembered as one of the worst presidents in US history? Nothing less than the man deserves.
Also, the government slapping down big business? Pushing against segregation as much as he can? I think Hughes is now my favorite alt-US President.
That said...Second Mexican-American War...depending on what American goals are, they could be in for a Vietnam War scenario half a century early. Best to keep goals limited, like the rest of the Baja to improve American power projection into the Pacific, and a demilitarized border plus a lot of war reparations.
Wilson remembered as one of the worst presidents in US history? Nothing less than the man deserves.
Also, the government slapping down big business? Pushing against segregation as much as he can? I think Hughes is now my favorite alt-US President.
That said...Second Mexican-American War...depending on what American goals are, they could be in for a Vietnam War scenario half a century early. Best to keep goals limited, like the rest of the Baja to improve American power projection into the Pacific, and a demilitarized border plus a lot of war reparations.
1916 wikibox and election map
A wikibox for the 1916 election
...and an electoral map (made with 270towin, thanks to @NHBL for telling me about this!)
...and an electoral map (made with 270towin, thanks to @NHBL for telling me about this!)
How does gaining Baja improve American power projection in the Pacific? The peninsula isn't exactly swimming in good natural harbors and any bases would face rather aggravating supply issues. .
Ironically, the Southern Democrats might actually be of use here. They'd go ape-shit if Hughes decided to go crazy on annexations, if only because it'll bring millions of Mexicans into the USA.
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How much of the Allied loans were actually backed up by collateral based on assets that the British could let deteriorate? My understanding was that the collateral for the war loans was almost always based either on governmental bonds or stocks and bonds of American companies held by the British government and thus not assets that the British could really damage even if they wanted to do so.
From "The Inter-Ally Debts" by Harvey Fisk:
In 1915 France and England joined their credit to place a great loan for five hundered million dollars in the United States. When England and France asked for further loans, American bankers required collateral. The borrowers appealed to their peoples for loans of negotiable securities. These were furnished in great amounts, largely in the form of American railroad stocks and bonds. Many other corporate securities suitable for the purpose also came to light, as well as municipal bonds and the bonds of neutral states.
-pg. 7
It will be noted that all issues of bonds placed in the United States subsequent to the joint issue with France were secured by collateral. This collateral was obtained by Great Britain by borrowing or buying dollar bonds from her citizens.-
-pg. 94
Borrowing American Securities
On June 3, M. Ribot presented a financial statement in which he said that the government had distributed widely to credit houses circulars stating that they were authorized to buy United States railway securities for government account. These securities were to be used as collateral to loans to be placed in America.
-pg. 130
The war brought marked changes in respect to our foreign investments. American investors as a whole for the first time became familiar with foreign securities. In the early years of the war, with some hesitation, we loaned money to France and England, but we required very good collateral in the nature of our own bonds and stocks which were placed with New York trust companies as security for the French and English bonds which were sold to the public.
-pg. 307
Jaenera Targaryen said:
I doubt the US would try to directly annex any Mexican territory. (The US didn't exactly enjoy the experience of administering the Philippines in the face of a hostile population.) More likely Hughes would settle for deposing Carranza in favor of a more pliable government, guarantying US oil and mineral rights in Mexico (which would likely mean requiring the Mexicans to repudiate Article 27 from their constitution which at least theoretically severely limited the ability of foreigners to own land in Mexico), and some sort of provision that the US could intervene in Mexico as necessary to protect American lives and property.
Glad I'm not the only one that thought about Kaiserreich lol.
There are some similarities, but there are enough differences to keep things fresh for me.
Italy still exist in this universe and has a empire and that's a major distinction from the Kaiserreich mod. The OP has yet to go into detail regarding labor or communist movements so we have no proof that syndicalism will get any traction in this universe. Japan yoinking French Indochina is another big distinction. While America seems to be heading for a bad time, I see no proof of a second civil war breaking out - which is fine by me because the 2ACW was always one of the more unrealistic parts of KR for me (despite how fun it is).
I have zero plans for a Second American Civil War... which is total ASB given the PoD, you'd need to go back to the Reconstruction era at least.
Syndicalism may or may not become widespread, but it certainly won't follow its Kaiserreich trajectory.
Not really being a video-gamer, I don't know too much about the KR universe or Hoi4 in general... it wasn't an inspiration for this project.
Not too surprised I got something wrong. I might go back and edit that part of the chapter when I get a chance, but that won't be for a while. Thanks for pointing it out, though!
The peace treaty will likely look something like that, yes. America has more than enough empty, dry land to begin with.
Since you're a teacher, it doesn't surprise me that you don't have time to game lol - I have other teacher friends that said the same to me on occasion. Here's a link if you want to understand some of the remarks we might make as this TL progresses.
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Probably Hughes, although I didn't want to get too bogged down in counting the popular tallies for the different states.
It's described as being done by executive order, which was probably a big factor in it being judged illegal. Shouldn't have any impact on the ability of congress to pass bailouts, since congress actually does have constitutional authority over spending.
Wow, that was super arrogant. I'm impressed. Now here's hoping Mexico at least gives the US a bloody nose. The US is going through a depression, Mexican troops have some experience after being at war for 6 years now while the US hasn't fought since Spain, the ingredients are there
The Germans have no reason to intervene and plenty of reasons to not intervene, not the least of which that they just came off a devastating and expensive war and are faced with expensive and manpower-intensive occupations of large swathes of territory.
The US suffering an embarrassing black eye at the hands of Mexico... more plausible.