and again, Liverpool's orders included, New Orleans. One cannot say the capital the louisiana without saying New Orleans. Every capital occupied in Louisiana would be abandoned according to Liverpools orders. Which city is the capital of Louisiana? Most certainly not Mobile nor Lafayette or any other small parish in the area. That would be New Orleans.
if at all. If France repressing the German Alsatian and Lorrainers dialect did not dissuade them from dropping their french identity for two long decades, then i doubt the Alsatians and Lorrainers will take to the german identity anytime soon, as the Zabern Affair is still stuck in their minds. All (almost all) Alsatian and Lorrainer parties vowed regionalism at best for berlin and separatism at worst after the affair. In 1914 Bethmann-Hollwegg tried to make some plans to appease them, but ww1 sidetracked that and seeing as that has made no mention.......yeah i see Alsace-Lorraine being the proverbial 'ireland' for Germany. Brimming with separatism.
Liverpool and Parliament had assumed that New Orleans had already fallen when they gave the orders. Which is why they were so surprised when they found out that they occupied nothing to give back. Your point does not stand with historical facts. When Lord Castlereagh and Lord Sidmouth asked to occupy New Orleans, Lord Liverpool denied their request stating that every city occupied would be returned, including New Orleans. Lord Eldon, Lord Harrowby and Lord Mulgrave confirmed the orders that every city, including New Orleans, Mobile, Lafayette, which they presumed to be occupied by then, to be returned to the control of Washington on January 9.
Agreed. It was fun at first, mostly for curiosity's sake, then it hijacked the whole thread. Will this TL get closed if this continues? If so, I really want this timeline to proceed as intended.
I suspect that much like with former East Belgium, whatever happens in the 30s might just cause the people of Elsass and Lothringen to drop their Francophone sympathies.
not exactly. Almost every politician in Alsace and Lorraine vowed separatism and regionalism in 1913 and made it their official policy. The alsatians and Lorrainers aided the french in ww1 and now will see their position even more threatened with the German victory. It will be a long time before they come to see themselves as German if at all and will most probably turn out to be a Northern Ireland situation, bitterly divided between the half between french (republican) and german(monarchist) identities. I had the honor to meet an actual Alsatian speaking Alsatian family back in 2016 whose grandfather had fought in ww2. This is from personal experience here more than anything but the man (grandfather) told me and my friends about his father in ww1, and described a very tense atmosphere on the brink of societal anger in Alsace-Lorraine. Added with the religious issue, Alsace-Lorraine will inevitably become a secretarian and ethnic conflict.
I suspect that post-TTL WW2, a Frenchman in TTL Alsace-Lorraine will be as common as a German in OTL Kaliningrad. There won't be a French separatist movement if all the French are expelled.
The most ferverent of the Alsatian and Lorrainer separatists were German speaking Alsatians and Lorrainers.
yeah its a complicated mess. I can see an ATL Alsatian Troubles being even more of a cluster**** than the NI Troubles with all the divided loyalties of linguistics, ethnicity, religion and subregional identities being mixed in.
The Bolsheviks won by a rather remarkable combination of circumstances, so I think that they should lose either way, since things aren't going to happen for them the right way.
well germany and russia starting to fight each other is boringly standard, just as russia always being a shithole.
I just want to see a USSR next to a German Empire and a Danubian federation.
I hope to see the Bolsheviks lose and for the Russian Empire to remain in place, with a devolution of power from the Tsar to a elected Parliament of sorts, in the mould of Britain or even Germany.
