Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by pattontank12, Sep 25, 2017.
Sounds entertaining, is there a link?
It’s on this thread somewhere, sorry I couldn’t find it but it’s on the latter part I believe.
If the USA re-democratises, I can imagine some sort of reunification talks taking place, with the former PSA territories becoming a sort of 'autonomous territory' within the Union with it's own economy, congress, and defence force.
If the USA stays authoritarian under a military junta, however, I think that just like you have suggested, it will be a PRC/RoC, or perhaps ROK/DPRK situation. Since even if they agree upon a ceasefire, they do not officially recognise each other, sort of like how both North and South Korea claims legitimacy as the sole government of the Korean peninsula.
The New Chicago Martian Colony, 2015. While smaller then some of the established German and Entente settlements, this outpost to American syndicalism inspires pride throughout the International.
Matthew Fox as General Bonner Fellers in the 2009 movie Division
A still featuring Tommy Lee Jones as President-General MacArthur as he arrives in St Louis in the movie Division
Division is an American movie released in 2009; directed and produced by Steven Spielberg and was one of his passion projects. The movie began with General Bonner Fellers (Matthew Fox) arriving in St Louis shortly after the end of the Civil War. As a central city in the United States and having great historical importance as the city where where the Great Push East was stopped, it was chosen as the site of the Treason Trials for the surviving leaders of the various traitorous movements. As dozens of of traitors are sent to the city in chains (with Tom Hanks as Smedley Butler and Daniel Day Lewis as General Patton being featured prominently) General Fellers is told he is to build the prosecutions case against Long and Reed. This initially is seen as an easy task until Fellers finds out after a series of meetings with Patton and Butler that most if not all of the documents ordering the revolts in the first place are not signed by Reed or Long at all, but by their cronies. This was done deliberately by Reed and Long to allow them, should their revolts fail, to say that they were dragged into it by ambitious underlings and get lighter sentences. This is only complicated by General-President MacArthur arriving in St Louis to declare that he intends to execute both Long and Reed, Fellers just needs to provide the justification. Meanwhile Fellers spends most of his fleeting free time trying to find a lost love that he met in St Louis during the War, but who was a Syndicalist spy. Towards the end of the movie its revealed that she was captured soon after the Battle and when Fellers signed the execution warrant of over 100 captured Syndicalist insurgents, she was one of them. Fellers spends the rest of the movie trying to meet with Long (John Goodman) and Reed (Paul Walker) to get documents that could save them. Both however refuse as they see that they would do more good now as martyrs than as prisoners. When Fellers tries to tell MacArthur of their plans to have their deaths as rallying cries for Syndicalist and Longist Resistance, he dismisses them. The move ends with both Reed and Long being sentenced to death and Fox quoting the now infamous line "With this execution, MacArthur is killing thousands". The ending text scroll blames the resulting decades of domestic terrorism on the trials and executions of Long and Reed.
The movie was both praised and torn apart in equal measure. It was seen as a triumph of film with the cinematography and score seemingly destined to go down in film history as some of the best the medium has to offer. All the actors were praised for their performances and the movie won Goodman, Lewis and Hanks their third Oscar and Fox his first. The movie itself was showered with awards and became the 3rd highest grossing movie of the decade behind Avatar: The Last Airbender and Transformers. However the movie was also taken down a few notches for playing fast and loose with historical accuracy. Firstly Fellers never was in St Louis, he was stationed on the Rockies Front during the Battle of St Louis as a Lt General, only being promoted to General in 1948, two years after the Trials. Also he never had a Syndicalist love interest in St Louis who he accidentally ordered the execution of, in fact the reported 100 executed Syndies incident never happened. All prisoners from St Louis were sent to POW camps in Montana and Wyoming for the duration of the War. It was also pointed out that the trials did not take place in 1945 but 1946 as Long and Reed were still on the run. Finally many people took issue with the movie pinning the blame for the post-war terrorism on MacArthur. Historians and Psychologists who studied the post-war era have all pointed to a number of different reasons for the Resistance and while a few of those reasons did have a root cause in MacArthur or his actions, none of them can entirely be laid at MacArthur's feet. [...]
What about in a scenario where the USA stays authoritarian under MacArthur but re-democratises after MacArthur dies in 1964 with the younger generation having grown up with the USA and PSA being separate nations? Is a scenario where the USA quietly drops claims to the PSA in exchange for the PSA renouncing their claim to be the legitimate government (and renaming themselves something like the Federal Republic of Pacifica) possible?
Now I know you're pulling my leg.
They can still be the PSA if the A meant the continent. Either way we can get Cyberpunk Los Angeles by 2019.
The Avatar thing was both a wish fufillment thing for me (there is no ATLA movie, hush) and also to poke fun at the blue person Avatar. While its Cameron and not Spielberg, having a different Avatar be on top gives me a light chuckle
The Transformers movies do great overseas, especially (at least lately) in China. That is where I see it getting its title ITTL
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