Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

[BigAbeRangel]

In your head cannon, in addition to being a major Freedom Party donor, would Hughes and other arms manufacturers use slave labor to prop up the industry during the war like the Nazis did IOTL?

Howard Hughes boarding his Hughes H-35 Racer, circa 1935. Howard R. Hughes Jr. was born to an oil tycoon in Houston Texas in 1905, in which throughout the 1920s and 30s, he would be one of the major tycoons from the Confederacy, such as owning the Hughes Film Studios, Hughes Tool Company, and most famously, the Hughes Aircraft Company. In the early 1930s prior to the rise of the Freedom Party, Howard Hughes would join the Freedom Party and would be a massive donor to the Party for it's funds as well rising quickly within it's ranks. The Hughes Aircraft Corporation would after the election of Featherston would become part of his rearmament plans for the CS Armed Forces as it developed new weapons for the Confederacy's Military, notably being the Hughes H-38 Hound-Dog fighter, which was a result of Featherston ordering Hughes to developed a fighter version of the H-35 Racer. Throughout the late 1930s and into the Second Great War, the Hughes Aircraft Company would produce large numbers of aircraft for the CSN and CSAF as well as making new technological aviation developments for the CSAF. Following the Confederacy's defeat in 1944, Hughes, once a bigshot in the Freedom Party and now wanted by US Authorities, would first flee to Mexico before escaping to South Africa via the now infamous Veracruz-Cape Town Rat Line. After getting to South Africa, he would assist other fellow Freedomites escape to South Africa from 1945 onwards. In 1947, he along with French Expatriate Emile Dewoitine would found a new aviation company which became known as Atlas. For the remainder of his life until his death in 1976, Hughes would design aircraft for the South African Military, most notably the Atlas Cheetah which was first introduced in 1975, less than year before his death.

 

[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

In your head cannon, in addition to being a major Freedom Party donor, would Hughes and other arms manufacturers use slave labor to prop up the industry during the war like the Nazis did IOTL?

Speaking of Hughes, did the Freedom Party also go after people with mental illnesses or people who were homosexual?

Featherston is almost a replica of Hitler, and all although he is targeting a specific race instead of ethnic groups based on faith or region, it doesn't sound to farfetched to believe that he would want to exterminate anyone who doesn't fit his ideals.

Otoh, it has been over a decade since I read the last entry in the series.

 

[trekchu]

JU-52 is all well and fine, BUT!

Douglas, of everlasting DC-3, DC-6, and C-47 fame was from California. The founder hailed from New York. So why not, for once, turn everything around and have everyone used the C-47, which was the superior aircraft.

 

[BigAbeRangel]

That could well be the case. I know that plenty of political dissidents were targeted first just like the Nazis did IOTL. The same could also apply to any labor unions in the CSA and they'd likely be targeted next. Soundwave's post postulates that there'd be plenty of whites in concentration camps separate for them, as is the case with Willy Knight prior to his execution. They'd likely also be used for slave labor and be subjected to an "extermination through labor" program like what the Nazis did. It's also going to be the case with the African-Confederates as there's a scene mentioned where Camp Determination prisoners were forced to build and expand the facilities ultimately used to exterminate them. Prisoners all around would be transported to wherever backbreaking work was needed throughout the CSA and occupied territories, in my opinion. This would likely be the case as well with blacks from the Caribbean along with their white and mixed-race counterparts.

Speaking of Hughes, did the Freedom Party also go after people with mental illnesses or people who were homosexual?

Featherston is almost a replica of Hitler, and all although he is targeting a specific race instead of ethnic groups based on faith or region, it doesn't sound to farfetched to believe that he would want to exterminate anyone who doesn't fit his ideals.

Otoh, it has been over a decade since I read the last entry in the series.

 

[BigAbeRangel]

In regards to mentally handicapped people, they could be the among the first to be exterminated by forced euthanasia like they were IOTL by the Nazis. This will expand to people with incurable diseases, physical disabilities, and anyone deemed "life unworthy of life." With the Featherston regime deciding to use gas against blacks, it's likely the disabled would be used as test subjects in a TL-191 version of Aktion T4. Add that with the use of eugenics and scientific racism and it's more than likely they'll be targeted for extermination as well. This will also be applied to any of the CSA occupied territories in the US. Anyone responsible will be tried in a TL-191 equivalent of the Doctors' and Ministries Trials.

Speaking of Hughes, did the Freedom Party also go after people with mental illnesses or people who were homosexual?

Featherston is almost a replica of Hitler, and all although he is targeting a specific race instead of ethnic groups based on faith or region, it doesn't sound to farfetched to believe that he would want to exterminate anyone who doesn't fit his ideals.

Otoh, it has been over a decade since I read the last entry in the series.

 

[BigAbeRangel]

Great one. Another reason that the Confederate military, like the Wehrmacht, will not be clean ITTL. From this, though the Confederate Occupation Authorities in Haiti manages to destroy records surrounding their, the US will gather as much evidence present and records from higher-ups to prove that the military were wholly involved in a war of annihilation/extermination to be used to prosecute those responsible (including those from Trujillo's Dominican Republic). Whoever the CSA's Secretaries of War and the Navy are, they'll be executed for this, especially since the CS Army and Marines are involved in doing the dirty work alongside the FPG.

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CSA Marine Corps General Samuel "Chesty" Puller, Seen in the Bermuda Campaign, 1941. While the CSA's Marine Corps saw little service in their field of maritime troops, they did participate in several operations in the Caribbean in support of the British efforts to retake Bermuda and the Bahamas, as well as commanding the Confederate Invasion of Haiti.
The extent of Puller's role in the subsequent Population Reduction efforts in Haiti are the subject of much debate, as the Confederate Occupation Authorities managed to successfully destroy the records surrounding the operation before surrendering to the US at the end of the war and Puller had, by that point, been withdrawn to command one of the desperate holding actions to stop Irving Morrell's Drive through Georgia, where he would be killed when his command car was strafed by US aircraft.

 

[S. Marlowski]

Among the First to Fight​

A photograph of Kenneth M. Taylor (left) and George L. Schwartz (right) photographed in December 7, 1941.​

During the Confederate Invasion of Ohio in August of 1941 during Operation Blackbeard, the C.S. Air Force had managed to take the local forces of the U.S. Air Force completely by surprise, as a result, most of the Union aircraft were destroyed on the ground. However, a few managed to get off the ground, among these few brave pilots, were 2nd Lieutenants Kenneth Taylor and George Schwartz. On that fateful early morning, both Taylor and Schwartz were asleep after a long night out when they heard that the Confederates were invading Ohio, immediately both men made their way quickly to Clark Field (which was a reserve airstrip outside of Columbus) and had the ground crew prepare for them a couple of P-27B Sky Sharks for combat, in which within minutes, both men would be airborne. After taking off, the two would immediately attack a formation of 6 Mule dive bombers just south of Columbus, in which Schwartz managed to shoot one of them down while Taylor also downed another, forcing the others retreat. The two would then land at the airfield to rearm, in which while on the ground, an officer would berate the two for their behavior. Then Clark Field would then come under attack, which the attackers was a formation of 8 Mules with 5 Hound Dogs escorting them, without much hesitation, the men would quickly board their planes and take off literally guns blazing, in which Schwartz managed to damage a Mule in the process. During the following battle over the airbase, Taylor had shot down a Hound Dog which was chasing Schwartz and has damaged another one. The Confederate planes would soon retreat, following this, both Schwartz and Taylor would land to rearm, in which they were then instructed along with all remaining Union aircraft to retreat toward Toledo due to all other airbases in Ohio were now under threat of being overrun by Confederate ground forces.

Following that day, General Hap Arnold would learn of the exploits of these two brave pilots and would recommend the both of them for the Medal of Honor, but they were award instead the Distinguished Flying Cross. The two of them were serve in the USAF throughout the Second Great War, in which Schwartz ended the war with 32 confirmed kills while he flew the P-27 B, E, and G models as well as the P-63 King Cobra, while Taylor ended the war with 28 confirmed victories while flying the P-27 B, C, and K models as well as the P-46B Super Shark. Both men were serve on after the war, in which Schwartz had tragically died in an aircraft accident in 1955. Taylor on the other hand had managed to retire in 1974, and would later become a technical advisor for many Second Great War movies, most notably Blackbeard in 1970 where the film had scenes portraying the exploits of both himself and Schwartz. Taylor would pass away on November 25, 2006 at the ripe old age of 86.

A P-27B in the same paint scheme as the one that George Schwartz flew on that fateful August day of 1941, circa 2014.

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The story of OTL's Kenneth Taylor and George Welch (Schwartz was his original surname, which the change was due to Anti-German sentiment in America during WWI.)

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Pearl Harbor Bombing – AFTERMATH Hero Stories: George Welch and Kenneth Taylor When Japanese Naval aircraft attacked Pearl Harbor on the morning of Dec. 7, 1941, they also attacked USAAF flying fields and facilities as well. Only a handful of U.S. pilots got airborne to fight back. The two most...

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[jack_donaghy_is_the_shado]

So did Turtledove have FDR been paralyzed from polio* as well?

Again I may not be remember the material correctly, but I believe Flora Blacford's observations of FDR described him as mostly immobile. I assumed that he was still stricken with polio, but without the therapy at warm springs, he did not recover as well as he did in OTL.

And a small aside, did Asst. Sec. Roosevelt hit on Congresswoman Blackford? 😁

 

[Pangur]

So did Turtledove have FDR been paralyzed from polio* as well?

Again I may not be remember the material correctly, but I believe Flora Blacford's observations of FDR described him as mostly immobile. I assumed that he was still stricken with polio, but without the therapy at warm springs, he did not recover as well as he did in OTL.

And a small aside, did Asst. Sec. Roosevelt hit on Congresswoman Blackford? 😁

He did have him paralayzed and in the wheel chair

 

[Soundwave3591]

JU-52 is all well and fine, BUT!

Douglas, of everlasting DC-3, DC-6, and C-47 fame was from California. The founder hailed from New York. So why not, for once, turn everything around and have everyone used the C-47, which was the superior aircraft.

well, the "Alligator" transport, as described in "In at the Death" had three engines and a ribbed construction. it's basically the Ju-52

 

[Soundwave3591]

That could well be the case. I know that plenty of political dissidents were targeted first just like the Nazis did IOTL. The same could also apply to any labor unions in the CSA and they'd likely be targeted next. Soundwave's post postulates that there'd be plenty of whites in concentration camps separate for them, as is the case with Willy Knight prior to his execution. They'd likely also be used for slave labor and be subjected to an "extermination through labor" program like what the Nazis did. It's also going to be the case with the African-Confederates as there's a scene mentioned where Camp Determination prisoners were forced to build and expand the facilities ultimately used to exterminate them. Prisoners all around would be transported to wherever backbreaking work was needed throughout the CSA and occupied territories, in my opinion. This would likely be the case as well with blacks from the Caribbean along with their white and mixed-race counterparts.

point in fact, having just re-read "In at the Death" the CSA DOES in fact use white slave laborers in their Rocket Factories in Huntsville Alabama. Cinncinatus Driver and his truck convoy are used to transport them to a hospital, and the sight of these white prisoners makes him pause to reflect on the true depths of Featherston's evil. If I was reading it right, He knew the CSA hated blacks, but it never occurred to him that such things could happen to White people too.

 

[Soundwave3591]

Great post, but sorry to burst your bubble, Fairchild can't be a Confederate company ITTL since they originated in New York. I'd definitely like to see what Fairchild would be producing for the Yankees.

I based it on Fairchild's final HQ being in San Antonio. I am actually hard-pressed to find pre-1940 Aircraft companies based in what would have been the CSA, so i "handwaved" a bit.

 

[Virginia Liberal]

Why so many people use Hughes as he was born in Texas. There is probably something like Confederate Aircraft Company or Virginian Aviation, or my favorite Palmetto Aviation.

 

[cortz#9]

Why so many people use Hughes as he was born in Texas. There is probably something like Confederate Aircraft Company or Virginian Aviation, or my favorite Palmetto Aviation.

How about "Texas Tech. & Aviation", TTA?

 

[S. Marlowski]

There was Taylorcraft as well.

 

[Soundwave3591]

Prominent Officers of the Confederate Military, Second Great War (1941-1944)

Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest III, Chief of the CSA General Staff, seen with his Wife in 1939

George S. Patton, Commander, Army of Kentucky, seen in Alabama shortly before his final surrender, 1944

Gen. Matthew Ridgeway, Army of Tennessee, Seen in the Fighting in Pittsburgh

Last Photo of Brigadier Gen. Claudius Easley, Army of Georgia, killed in South Carolina the day of the Confederate Surrender.

Brigadier Gen. Charles L. Keerans Jr, Army of Georgia, killed by Friendly Fire outside Atlanta in 1943.

Samuel "Chesty" Puller, CS Marine Corps, seen in Bermuda, 1941

General Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr, CSMC, seen in Haiti in 1942.

Admiral Chester Nimitz, CNO, Confederate States Navy

Admiral Richard Byrd, Commander, CSN Carribean Fleet Operations

Admiral Husband Kimmel, Commander, Atlantic Fleet Operations, CSN

Gen. Ira Eaker, Chief of Air Operations, Confederate Air Force

Pre-War Photo of Gen. Billy Mitchell, the "Father" of the Confederate Air Force, seen in a "Confederate Citrus Company" "Security Staff" uniform, 1937.​

 

[rob2001]

You might want to check your facts on Billy Mitchell again, even though he was born in France, his father was from Wisconsin and served in the Union Army.

 

[Soundwave3591]

You might want to check your facts on Billy Mitchell again, even though he was born in France, his father was from Wisconsin and served in the Union Army.

and Patton was Born in California. he's still a Confederate in the books.
It's Alternative History. Loyalties can change.

 

[Captain Reynolds]

and Patton was Born in California. he's still a Confederate in the books.
It's Alternative History. Loyalties can change.

Patton's family originated from Virginia, so it makes sense that he would Stay there and not move to California since the South won their independence. Billy Mitchell staying in the US would make more sense.

Also, you forgot Nathan Bedford Forrest III, who was head of the CSA General Staff

 

[Soundwave3591]

Patton's family originated from Virginia, so it makes sense that he would Stay there and not move to California since the South won their independence. Billy Mitchell staying in the US would make more sense.

Also, you forgot Nathan Bedford Forrest III, who was head of the CSA General Staff

Patton's Grandmother moved to California after her husband was killed during the Civil War, so Patton himself is two generations removed from the CSA. Even if his grandmother hadn't moved his father might have during the period between the War of Secession and the Second Mexican War, before the CSA had a Pacific Coast.

and it's kind of hard to find an appropriate photo to represent a fictional person, especially one symbolizing such a significant role X) This is meant to symbolize "real" people who might have ended up serving the CSA.