Didn't the South was onboard eugenics as well as having Jim Crow laws against black southerners? Also homosexuality was very frown upon by the Southern state so likely that it's really okay with them persecuting and even "purifying" to gene pool with no homo or disabled genes in the South during Featherston rule
Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191
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Surely they didn't treat disabled and homosexuals nicely but not really sure if they bothered to send them to camps. Possible but still IMO it seems bit too far as copy-paste of Hitler and nazis.
Not sure if what happened OTL would be a good analogue.
Featherston doesn't seem like the exact copy and past of Hitler when it comes to the genetics. I feel it would be more likely that they would got after the troublemakers more than anything else. African-Americas can make sense because they rose up against hte CSA during the Great War, which could be considered a reason why they lost. Also, the political prisoners work as well as Featherston wanted to remove the the "dead weight" for lack of a better term.
Those seemed to be his main focus, and it feels a little more like the early Soviet Union where they were trying to remove all of the old aristocracy.
Are there other smaller groups that he might have gone after, perhaps, but those were the main ones, and I can't see
I didn't even know there was a competition.
There's a similar thing related to this that I accept as a headcanon.
Controversial film Braveheart was accused of promoting Stolen Valor mythisism in the skein of Scotland's rebellion against the British.
The quote "Freedom! Freedom! Freedom!" remains a rallying cry for many southern politicians.
Attempts to 'reclaim' it in the North have not gone well.
I hate to ask if this is -
Aaaah. Enraging.
Basically, the whole "raised fist" thing ends up being associated with the Freedomites, while the Bellamy salute/Roman salute is a more neutral thing.
(Imagine a U.S. citizen, or anyone else, from TL-191 looking at all the protests that occurred within the past few years getting freaked out and confused when they see African-Americans raising their fists and some of them yelling, "Freedom!")
Very interesting.Camp Gordon, the Show Camp===============================================
A photograph of Camp Gordon, a concentration camp located in central Georgia, circa 1942.
This camp was established in 1935, which it's original purpose was to intern Black Confederates as well as political prisoners before modified into a collection and transit camp for Blacks intended for the Death Camps in late 1940. But in 1942, the camp would be slated into being modified into a different purpose, which make it infamous in it's own right. By the summer of that year, the allegations about Concentration Camp existing within the Confederacy would come to the attention of the International Committee of the Red Cross, who naturally wanted to find truth in those claims. In July of 1942, the ICRC would request the Confederate Government to make an inspection of at least one of the Concentration Camps, which the request would be denied. Around the same time, the commandant of Camp Gordon, one Timothy Cordell, would receive a telephone call directly from Ferdinand Koenig, which Koenig would order Cordell to make "modifications" to his camp to make it more "presentable." Immediately, Cordell and his administration would start changing the camp, first by deporting many of the inmates (such as those were ill) out of the camp to curtail overcrowding. Next, they would start to clean up the camp, first mending the buildings around the whole facility, before establishing some shops, a clinic, schools, and even a church to improve with the façade along with amenities like benches, flowerbeds, and a playground. In addition, a Negro Council would established to give the impression that the inmates had representation as well some phony money being made to even further the charade. Then when it came to the day of the actual camp inspection by Red Cross representatives, the Freedomites would order the Black inmates to wear the nicest clothing, to add in to the deception.
A photo of the Camp Cafeteria taken by a Red Cross inspector.
After months of waiting, on May 7, 1943, the representatives of the International Red Cross would arrive at the gates of Camp Gordon, where the Commandant Cordell would meet them and given them a tour of the camp. Cordell and the other Freedomites would guide the inspectors into specific areas of the camp on a specific path, where the inspectors would discover that the Black inmates were rather comfortable in the camp and their captors were treating them well. All of that was a result of months of preparations on the part of the Freedomites that the camp's cover would not be blown on the day of the inspection. At the end of the eight hour inspection, the Freedomite Plan would work out flawlessly as the Red Cross inspectors in their reports have failed to see through their lies, though felt some sympathy in their writings toward the inmates. Shortly thereafter, the Confederate Propaganda Department would film a documentary there in order to be distributed worldwide to "dispel the rumors about what was happening to the Black Confederates." The documentary, titled Camp Gordon: The Life of the Negro in the South, would end up never being shown to the rest of the world. In July of 1943, when it seemed that the Camp and it's inmates have served their use, they were all loaded up onto to cattle cars and shipped to Camp Humble, where most would never survive the Destruction. In October of that year however, the lies that Camp Gordon helped spawn would come crashing down as Camp Determination would be liberated by General Dowling's forces, thus revealing to the world the true evil's of Featherston's policies toward the Blacks of the CSA. Camp Gordon itself would be discovered by US Army troops in January of 1944, and today, a memorial dedicated to the victims of the Destruction exits where the Camp once stood.
Inspiration is the Theresienstadt Concentration Camp: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/theresienstadt
This is why I cannot see Apartheid occurring in South Africa in TL-191. Doesn't mean they won't try, but no victor of SGW is going to tolerate a country with Freedomite-like policies.
Anyway, while I do enjoy reading how everyone else expands their own ideas on TL-191, I must admit that some of it appears to be too parallel to OTL. Granted, it's definitely possible that Featherston would persecute other Non-Black groups, I can't really concur with some of the choices presented here. Still, I appreciate the creativity. Good job, guys.
I'd like to mention that I find it reasonable the idea of the estimated death count of the Devastation to be around 10 million. I think the OTL Black population of the USA was between 12-14 million, if I remember correctly. Here, in TL-191, it's a lot less conclusive due to a lot of documentation (free papers and slave papers) being destroyed.
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Picture of abandoned Confederate trenches in Fredericksburg, following the city's fall to the United States in the First Great War, ca. late 1917.
Speaking of which curious to see if Eugiencs still emerge in TL-191.
Eugenics probably is still existing in many countries on some form. It was pretty inevitable.
Giving a possible explanation for the name of the Spanish Flue in TL-191.
Picture of the front page of the British newspaper: The Times, June 25, 1918, coining the term The Spanish Influenza.
The exact origin of what is now called the Spanish Flu is unknown. Theories such as Europe, China, and the United States came over the years of the disease's possible origin. However, it appeared in 1918. By that point, the Great War was over, but many nations were reporting on the peace terms, the fruits of the victory in the Central Powers, and the suffering of defeat in the Entente Powers. Spain, neutral in the Great War, was the only nation to talk about the disease at that point, which led to the disease being called the Spanish Flu.
Why wouldn't Featherston's CSA use it? Eugenics also implied to races, not just genetics.
I didn't say that Featherston's regime wouldn't practise eugenics. Probably it did but not sure if it would be active killing. Probably just sterilisation and banning of marriages of disabled people like it was more common policy.
If the Confederates planned to introduce a carrier in the SGW what do you think it’d be named? I think it’d be either the CSS Robert E. Lee or Camp Hill
Probably CSS Robert E. Lee. But wouldn't it be ratherly battleship? At least it would be perfect parallel for Bismarck.
I'd say that they would either name their carrier some natural coastal feature in the CSA or some famous Confederate aviator.
A recreation of the Jesusland map, an Internet meme created shortly after the 2004 U.S. presidential election that satirizes the red/blue states scheme.
Blue- Northern States of America (Symbolizing the Democrats)
Red- Jesusland (Symbolizing the Socialists)
Some versions have Alberta as part of Jesusland.
The original image was created on November 3, 2004, on a message board. It quickly became an Internet meme, which The New York Times described as an "instant Internet classic." However, the map is criticized as it not only depicted the voting demographics in the United States inaccurately, but many claim it to be bigotry against Catholics, as Leo V. Enos, a Catholic, was re-elected to office a day before this map.
And perhaps Texss soon. And maker of the map forgotten Baja California, Sonora and Chihuahua. Furthermore I am pretty sure that Southern States wouldn't vote Socialists but Democrats.
I used the Jesusland map of otl, which is why Quebec is here. Texas rejoins the Union in my headcanon. Also, yes, Lalli, you are correct that this map isn't right because it wasn't accurate to the 2004 election in my headcanon. Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Alamba, Georgia, and Mississippi, are swing states, Cuba votes Socialist, while the rest of the region votes Democratic.
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