Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

I don't think that was hatred. Otherwise someone would have launched the buttons despite it all. That was more being pragmatic. Neither side wanted to launched nukes because they knew the would do the same.
Not destroying your enemy because you know they will destroy you as well if you do doesnt mean you dont hate them. In fact the fact that you cant destroy them without them destroying you is probably one of the main reasons you hate them....
 
Not destroying your enemy because you know they will destroy you as well if you do doesnt mean you dont hate them. In fact the fact that you cant destroy them without them destroying you is probably one of the main reasons you hate them....
So does this mean that if you were the leader of the USA, you would hate Russia because they have the ability to destroy the country to live in?
 
So does this mean that if you were the leader of the USA, you would hate Russia because they have the ability to destroy the country to live in?
Well thats one of the reasons you hate them. You hate them because of how they treat their own people and how they are a threat to the West and the rest of the world. On top of that you really cant do anything to take them out because they can take you out if you tried and you hate them for that along with everything else. Its not nice but its what humans do...
 
Well thats one of the reasons you hate them. You hate them because of how they treat their own people and how they are a threat to the West and the rest of the world. On top of that you really cant do anything to take them out because they can take you out if you tried and you hate them for that along with everything else. Its not nice but its what humans do...
I really disagree with you on that. People in the military for the most part don't hate Russia, China, Iran, or any other possible threat to the United States. They may not like the leadership or maybe certain parts of the country, but hatred is a term that I feel is used very loosely.

If every nation truely hated each other, there would be far more wars and genocide and every other kind of way to kill.
 
I really disagree with you on that. People in the military for the most part don't hate Russia, China, Iran, or any other possible threat to the United States. They may not like the leadership or maybe certain parts of the country, but hatred is a term that I feel is used very loosely.

If every nation truely hated each other, there would be far more wars and genocide and every other kind of way to kill.
Well I disagree with the idea that there is only one kind of blind ,implacable utter hatred. I think there are different levels of hatred that are also '"rue hate" its just that it depends on the circumstances that determines how far that you are willing to go to express that hatred, So just because if there are situations where you would still interact with them as fellow human beings and not kill them in every circumstance doesnt mean you still dont hate them. The Nazis allowed some Jewish World War I vets to escape death but does that mean they didnt really hate Jews ? Humans arent perfect in anything they do and that includes the way they express hatred-its not always complete and total just like anything else that humans do-we are imperfect in all things...
 
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Oswald Mosely, Leader of the Silvershirt Legion of Britain, at a rally in the late 1930's, after the group had switched their primary uniform color to Black, ostensibly out of reasons of expense.
As War Minister, His bungled attempt to annex Norway in 1941 saw him lose a great deal of face in the eyes of the Churchill government which, combined with the stalemating war on the Belgian front, quickly undermined his personal power.

In a desperate attempt to regain some of his lost prestige, Mosely took inspiration from the Freedom Party Guards and organized his own force of Party-indoctrinated fighters. These men, called the "Ironsides" after Oliver Cromwell's 17th-century Calvary, were equipped with the best weapons the English could muster, and initially proved promising, until reports of atrocities against German and Belgian civilians began to filter back to the Parliament. Censured and arrested by the Churchill government, Mosely would be one of the few Britons who would be handed over to the Central Powers following the war.
While Mosely and the British did not subscribe to the Freedom Party's Race Hatred and their massacre of Blacks, the need to keep the CSA in the war to prevent the USA from aiding Germany caused them to look the other way. This lack of reaction only compounded Mosely's already dire reputation, and he would be sentenced to Life Imprisonment in Spandau Prison just outside Berlin, alongside several Ironside commanders and their French Counterparts from Action Francaise.
 
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Oswald Mosely, Leader of the Silvershirt Legion of Britain, at a rally in the late 1930's, after the group had switched their primary uniform color to Black, ostensibly out of reasons of expense.
As War Minister, His bungled attempt to annex Norway in 1941 saw him lose a great deal of face in the eyes of the Churchill government which, combined with the stalemating war on the Belgian front, quickly undermined his personal power.

In a desperate attempt to regain some of his lost prestige, Mosely took inspiration from the Freedom Party Guards and organized his own force of Party-indoctrinated fighters. These men, called the "Ironsides" after Oliver Cromwell's 17th-century Calvary, were equipped with the best weapons the English could muster, and initially proved promising, until reports of atrocities against German and Belgian civilians began to filter back to the Parliament. Censured and arrested by the Churchill government, Mosely would be one of the few Britons who would be handed over to the Central Powers following the war.
While Mosely and the British did not subscribe to the Freedom Party's Race Hatred and their massacre of Blacks, the need to keep the CSA in the war to prevent the USA from aiding Germany caused them to look the other way. This lack of reaction only compounded Mosely's already dire reputation, and he would be sentenced to Life Imprisonment in Spandau Prison just outside Berlin, alongside several Ironside commanders and their French Counterparts from Action Francaise.
I wrote something about Mosely awhile ago.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/photos-from-featherstons-confederacy-tl-191.185493/page-155#post-18056538

Alterwright’s take on it:https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/tl-191-uniform-weapons-and-equipment-of-the-secondary-combatants.460546/page-3#post-18352784
 
Perhaps the Silvershirt atrocities were just as bad as the OTL Blacks and Tans, if not worse.
Fascism in the UK seems primarily tied to hypernationalism and a restoration of British prestige in the world, with the obvious Imperial (and racial) corollaries this entails. So while TTL Mosely might not be on the level of throwing people into gas chambers like Featherston, he certainly isn't for "equality." as for Ireland, I personally think TTL Mosely would take inspiration from Cromwell in attitudes towards them, motivated more by religion than race. I can see the Silvershirts aiding Ulster rebels against the Irish government before the Fascists come to power in the UK.
 
The Siberian War/Russo-Japanese War (1943-1945)

Russians soldiers with a BT-7 cavalry barrel in a skirmish with Japanese troops in the Amur River Valley, circa 1944.

By the start of 1943, it had become clear to the Japanese that their "allies", the Radius Powers (which consisted of Britain, France, Russia, and the Confederacy) were going to lose the war to the Quadruple Alliance. In late January of 1943 the Japanese High Command would begin draw up war plans against the Radius Powers' Colonies in Asia and the Pacific. On the Japanese target list was the Russian Far East their client state of the Congress of Manchuria*, and so the Japanese would put together the Kantokuen Plan. The Japanese order of battle was that the attack on Manchuria was to be launched from both Japanese occupied China and Korea with a total of 42 divisions under the command of General Tomoyuki Yamashita, and his forces had contained almost a third of all the barrel forces in the Japanese Army's inventory as well as large amounts of aircraft such as the Ki 43 Hayabusa fighter and the Ki 49 Donryu bomber. Also in this operation was the elements of the Imperial Japanese Navy under Admiral Nishizo Tsukahara with his force of the battleships Musashi and Ise along with a modest force of four cruisers and 12 destroyers along with some air resources who were to support amphibious operations at Port Arthur, Vladivostok, Northern Sakhalin, and the Kamchatka Peninsula.

A photo of a Nakajima Ki-43 at an airfield outside of Chasong in Korea prior to the Japanese Invasion of Manchuria, circa 1943. The Hayabusa fighter was the Japanese Army Air Service's equivalent to the Imperial Navy's Zero which they had proved popular with the pilots who flew them due to it's speed and handling characteristics.

An illustration of a Type 97 Chi-Hai Kai Medium Barrel during the first days of Kantokuen Operation in Manchuria, circa 1943. The Chi-Ha along with the Type 95 Ha-Go kegs and Type 1 Ho-Ha halftracks would form the Japanese Armored Assault into Manchuria, in which the Japanese had taken a lot influence from the Confederate Invasion of Ohio in 1941.

The Russian and Manchurian forces facing them under General Urzhin Garmaev were in a rather weak position. The Russians had a total of 12 Divisions in Manchuria and further 26 in reserve in the Russian Far East, in which most of these units were rated below average for their battle ratings. In support, another 20 divisions of the Manchurian National Army were in support, which they too were rated as below average in battle rating. The Russian had also lacked sufficient heavy artillery, armored, and aviation assets as many of them that were in Manchuria before the war were moved to the European and Alaskan Fronts. The Russians had a total of 34 high caliber artillery pieces, 10 T-26 Model 1933 Kegs, 32 Polikarpov I-16 fighters, 14 Seversky I-18 fighters, 22 R-Z light bombers, and 15 Tupolev SB-2M bombers. The Manchurian Army Air Corps was also a modest force with 10 Polikarpov I-15, 6 I-16 fighters, and 18 Polikarpov R-2 biplanes (which were mostly used for training purposes). The Russian Navy of the Far East Fleet was also heavily under strength as most of their resources were redeployed to deal with the USN in the Pacific Northwest Region. Their forces at Port Arthur consisted of the old battleships Retvizan and Andrei Pervozvanny, the light cruiser Admiral Spiridov, and two destroyers while at the port of Vladivostok had the heavy cruiser Kerch, the light cruiser Admiral Grieg, and 6 destroyers. At Port Arthur, the Imperial Russian Navy would have a large amount of coastal artillery along with a force of 12,000 on-shore naval personnel.

A Russian Air Force I-16 being serviced at a base outside of Mukden, circa 1942. The I-16 was the most numerous fighter plane in the Russian Arsenal at the time of the Japanese Attack on Manchuria, which would prove to be inferior to the Japanese Ki 43 Hayabusa and A6M Zero fighters.

Soldiers of the Manchurian National Army defending their positions against Japanese forces near Jehol, circa 1943. The Manchurian Army in 1943 had a total of 360,000 soldiers, 415 artillery guns, 10,500 horses, 92 trucks, 15 armored cars (mostly of Russian Civil War and 1920s vintage), 16 fighter planes, and 18 biplane bombers/trainers.

The opening moves of the Siberian War was made on April 4th, 1943 when the Japanese Naval Forces moved to attack Port Arthur, in which the Japanese warships had destroyed the small Russian force outside the harbor. The Japanese would launch simultaneous ground strikes from Korea and Northeastern China onto Manchuria with a combined armored thrust and paratroop attacks with heavy air support. Within a matter of days, the Japanese had easily broken through the weak frontier defenses and managed to secure around 40% of the country and had isolated the Russian positions on the Liaoning Peninsula. By that time, the Japanese Army and Naval Air units had driven the Russians from the skies, making them the undisputed master of the skies over Manchuria. To make matters worse for the Russians, many soldiers of the Manchurian National Army would switch sides and would join the Japanese Army. By April 30th, the Japanese had managed to drive the Russians out of the capital of Hsinking and the city of Harbin as well as capturing the port city of Vladivstok. The Japanese had also launched successful amphibious landings at Northern Sakhalin and the Kamchatka Peninsula which they suffered very light casualties. Also around this time, the Russian garrison at Port Arthur had surrendered after a few weeks siege with a loss of 6,732 men.

An artist's rendition of two Japanese Type 95 Kegs with Infantry Support during the opening days of the Manchukuo Campaign.


Russian sailors making a desperate defense of their positions against Japanese Marines at Port Arthur, circa May of 1943.

Japanese SNLF troops making an amphibious landing against a Russian coastal battery near Port Arthur.

A Japanese Army soldier posing with some destroyed Russian Aircraft at an airfield outside of Vladivostok.

A Russian USV field gun firing on attacking Japanese barrels outside of Harbin, circa April 22nd, 1943.

When news of the Japanese Attack reached the Russian High Command, they were shocked by the news of the betrayal by one of their allies. They had immediately reacted by ordered a good number of units to be redeployed to try and halt the Japanese Invasion. However, much of the Russian forces were tied down on the European, Caucasian, and Alaskan Fronts, and as a result, very few good units could be spared to deal with the Japanese. The Russians would find themselves short on adequate weapons to deal with the Japanese ones, but have managed to scrape together some to the Far Eastern Front. One example was that they had managed to get a squadron of Yak-1M fighters to be sent off to the Far East to better deal with the Japanese Hayabusa aircraft.

A photo of BT-7 barrels of a Russian Motorized Division in the Amur River Valley.

Over the summer of 1943, the Siberian War would intensify as the Russians would make desperate attempts to curtail the Japanese advance into Siberia from Manchuria as well as keeping the supply line to Russian America open. Major fighting had occurred across the Amur River as the Russians before war had constructed a defensive line in case of a war with Japan. One of the hot spots along the Amur Line was the Russian city of Khabarovsk where vicious urban fighting had occurred which left much of the city in rubble. Over the next year, back and forth fighting occurred along the Amur Line.

Russian field artillery battery on the Amur Line during a Break in the fighting, circa Summer of 1943.

Japanese soldiers during a firefight with Russian forces outside the settlement of Konstantinovka.

By the spring of 1944 after months of hard fighting, the Japanese had finally managed to break through the Amur River line and would begin to advance towards Lake Baikal to the west as well as other directions in order to capture other important Siberian settlements, it was this time that Russia would surrender to the Germans in Europe. It was when the Russians would attempt to redeploy these units from the European Front to the Siberian one, unfortunately, mutinies would break out with these units as many of these troops were tired of war. It was at this point that the Russians, following years of a disastrous war on the European Front, were at the breaking point. On September 18th, 1944, the Germans and the Union would pressure the Russians to make a cease fire with the Japanese, which after days of talks would end with an armistice on this front until Peace Talks settles the war. This armistice would remain in effect until the Russians broke it on May 3rd, 1945 under the belief that the Japanese have let their guard down in the region near the city of Chita. Unfortunately, the Russian attack would fail due to poor morale among the ranks, in response, the Japanese would launch a new offensive in the westward direction which had reached as far as the shores of Lake Baikal. After subsequent talks, a new armistice would be implemented which had remained in effect until the signing of the Treaty of Hiroshima in September of that year, which had concluded the Siberian War as well as the Pacific Front of the Second Great War as a whole.

The casualties for the Russo-Japanese War on the Japanese side were 345,000 men, 148 barrels, 243 artillery pieces, 102 armored vehicles, 1 destroyer, and 236 aircraft. For the Russians, they would suffer the loss of 517,000 men, 93 barrels, 468 artillery pieces. 115 armored vehicles, 5 destroyers, 2 light cruisers, 2 battleships, and 197 aircraft. The Siberian War in the Russian consciousness would be a another catastrophe in a series of disasters, which was a catalyst for the 1948 Coup d'etat by General Zhukov which caused the abdication of Tsar Mikhail II, leading to the creation of the Socialist Russian State as well as the Tsardom of Alaska. For the Japanese, the conflict had helped solidified it's position as the dominant power over East Asia as well as much of the Pacific, so therefore, it has largely been since viewed by the Japanese as a triumph.
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* = Following the Hispano-Japanese War in 1901, Russia which had feared getting into a war with Japan, would sign a treaty with them which had recognized each other's territorial claims, Japan for Korea and Russia for Manchuria respectively. In 1912, the Russian Empire would create the Congress of Manchuria which was an autonomous region of the Russian Empire with it's own Government, Economy, and Military, the Manchurian National Army.​
 
The Siberian War/Russo-Japanese War (1943-1945)
Oh, what a surprise! I didn't expect an addendum on the war between Russia and Japan.

I like how an alternate version of the Russo-Japanese War occurred decades later, compared to OTL, and the Russians STILL lost!



The Siberian War in the Russian consciousness would be a another catastrophe in a series of disasters, which was a catalyst for the 1948 Coup d'etat by General Zhukov which caused the abdication of Tsar Mikhail II, leading to the creation of the Socialist Russian State as well as the Tsardom of Alaska. For the Japanese, the conflict had helped solidified it's position as the dominant power over East Asia as well as much of the Pacific, so therefore, it has largely been since viewed by the Japanese as a triumph.
Interesting. I've always thought that Russia would kick the Tsar out, but I am not sure if it will become a socialist state. Are we talking communism here?


* = Following the Hispano-Japanese War in 1901, Russia which had feared getting into a war with Japan, would sign a treaty with them which had recognized each other's territorial claims, Japan for Korea and Russia for Manchuria respectively. In 1912, the Russian Empire would create the Congress of Manchuria which was an autonomous region of the Russian Empire with it's own Government, Economy, and Military, the Manchurian National Army.​
There was a thread that Alterwright made where I discussed how it was possible for Russia to avoid going to war against Japan. It's nearly the same as it is written here. Nice job!
 
That would fit well
I always felt like the South Western fronts would be on the anachronistic side of things during both Great Wars. With cavalry battles between Union, Confederate and Mexican cowboys taking place in the desert of New Mexico, even as airplanes fought overhead and barrels charged alongside.

Something similar probably happened in the Northwestern region during the First Great War around the Canadian border with Montana, Washington and Idaho.
 


Alfred Rosenberg (1892-?)
Alfred Rosenberg served as a second lieutenant in the White Army, under the command of Colonel Max Erwin von Schneubner-Richter, a fellow Baltic German, who despite his First Great War service in the Imperial German Army, returned to Russia to fight for the White Army. Both men shared a vile fascination with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, especially those of Socialist/revolutionary flavors, along with other secondary prejudices such as Islamaphobia and the Yellow Peril, and the belief that the "Indo-European master races" had the natural right to rule the world. After the Romanov victory, von Schneuber-Richter arranged for Rosenberg to join the Foreign Section of the Okhrana.

Rosenberg seemed destined to fester in mid level bureaucratic mediocrity, if not for a chance meeting with General Pyotr Wrangel at a war veteran reception. While Wrangel personally held a deep aristocratic contempt for Actionism, Rosenberg's sentiments about uniting the Indo-European peoples to fight "Jewish capital and revolution" were also held by the Grand Duchess Anastasia, daughter and brother to the late Tsars Nicolai II and Alexander IV. Wrangel arranged an audience between the Grand Duchess and the engineering student. Anastasia became Rosenberg's patron as he rose through the ranks of the Okhrana, becoming Director of Foreign Section Departments II and III, the Okhrana Departments respectively responsible for Germany and Austria-Hungary, in 1931.

The Great Depression found fertile grounds for Imperial Russian subversion, especially in eastern Poland, Prussian provinces east of the Oder, Hungary (Anastasia had issued a proclamation declaring the Magyars to be honorary Indo-Europeans), Romania, Bohemia and the Sudetenland. Surreptitiously Russian controlled newspapers and radios swarmed east and central European audiences with venomous attacks and fake news against the large corporations, socialists, Freemasons, atheists, Muslims, Romani, and above all, Jews. Rosenberg also acted as the conduit between Anastasia and disaffected German nobles, chief among them Prince August Wilhelm, the fourth son of the Kaiser, and managed Russian relations with far right and Actionist political parties, including the German Fatherland National Party (DVNP), the Agarian League, Polish National Democrats, the Magyar Arrow Cross, Iron Guard in Romania, the Czech Vlajka and Sudeten Young German Bund.

Angered by the 1936 Pogroms in Russia that murdered 10,000 Jews, Herschel Greenspan assassinated the Grand Duchess Tatiana in Nuremberg at the 1937 DVNP rally. Anastasia and Tsar Michael directed Rosenberg to conduct a wave a terror bombings against Jewish and socialist targets in Germany. Prince August Wilhelm had a final falling out with his father over the former's sympathy for the Russian position, as well as the German government's belated crackdown on volkisch terrorism, and the Prince went on a six month long world tour before going into exile in Saint Petersburg.

Upon the outbreak of the Second Great War, Rosenberg's years of plotting bore a terrible fruit, as waves of far right sabotage terrorism swept across Germany, Austria-Hungary, Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine. Prince August Wilhelm was declared the Teutonic Grand Duke of Prussia, and installed in 1942 by General von Ungern-Sternberg in East Prussia as the head of a puppet government. The Teutonic Grand Duke was supported by volkisch militants, the dispossessed lower middle class, Junkers impoverished by mass bankruptcies and actionists, who would rather fight for Indo-European brotherhood against the "Jewish socialist yoke", instead of staying true to the "puppet Kaiser". Upon the capture of Brest, Congress Poland was declared restored and the National Democrats massacred the city's Jewish population and Polish government officials.

Rosenberg's crowning achievement was the July Days of Prague in 1942. Konrad Heinlein, the fugitive leader of the Sudeten Young German Bund, launched simultaneous uprisings in Reichenberg and Pilsen on the morning of July 3rd, 1942. At the same time, Lieutenant General Emanuel Moravec, commander of the KuK forces in Prague, declared for the Romanovs and launched an attack on Prague Castle to capture the Austro-Hungarian Prime Minister Benes and Minister of War von Trapp. Scrambling onto an armored train that blasted and rammed its way past Moravec's barrels, Benes and von Trapp barely escaped to Slovakia. It took the diversion of two German Group Armies, three Polish divisions and five weeks for Austria-Hungary to crush the Bohemian-Sudeten Uprising).

In the end, Rosenberg's hateful machine of subversion and mass terror could not avert the defeat of Imperial Russia on the Eastern Front. The collaborationist formations proved to be worthless in pitched combat, the Imperial Jan Sobieski Grenadiers Mechanized Division was routed from its fortifications by a Polish regiment from a division of the same appellation. Teutonic Grand Ducal troops fared even worse in battle. By November 1943, Imperial Russia and its puppet collaborator governments had all been chased from "redeemed soil".

The fate of Rosenberg himself is still unknown to this day. His last confirmed sighting was on September 1944 in Kazan, ruling out his death in the earlier atomic bombing of Saint Petersburg. While the Grand Duchess Anastasia was handed over in 1949 by Zhukov's government, along with collaborators like Heinlein and Moravec, to all be hung for crimes against humanity or high treason, the Russian republican government denied all knowledge as to Rosenberg's whereabouts. Most historians do not think it likely that Rosenberg followed the example of the Grand Teutonic Duke in taking his life. Unverified sightings and rumors still filtered in from the 1950s to 1980s from around the world, though concentrated in South Africa, Argentina and Australia.

Regardless of his final disposition, Rosenberg left a terrible legacy of hate, division subversion and violence, in deep societal scars across eastern Germany, Poland, and northeastern Austria-Hungary, as brothers raised the flag of treason and Freedomism, to fight brother. His reputation for omnipresent evil, though somewhat exaggerated in popular culture, can be seen in villains such as the Orange Skull, the Mouth of Sauron and SPECTRE.
 
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