Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

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  1. m0585 Well-Known Member

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    Major General James W. McAndrew served as the Chief of Operations for the U.S. General Staff during GWI. He is widely regarded as a staff expert and directly responsible for coordinating the offensive into northern Virginia in the April, 1917 in conjunction with the First Army's Barrel Roll Offensive in Tennessee (even though the War Department was ignorant of the latter until it was launched). General McAndrew regarded Custer as a genius for his idea of launching the offensive, but later stated "I wish the stupid bastard would have told us. We could have provided him more support."

    During GWI, General McAndrew was often a troubleshooter for Chief of Staff, General Leonard Wood. It was General McAndrew who recommended the invasion of northern Texas, and would personally recommend to General Wood and President Roosevelt not to punish General Custer's launching of the Barrel Roll Offensive. General McAndrew would serve as Chief of Operations until he was reassigned as the head of the U.S. Military Mission to Germany in 1920. While in Germany, he worked with German officers to devise plans for a future war against the Entente. He would die in Germany in 1922 of a heart attack. He was accorded military honors in both the US and Germany. Field Marshal Guderian, a German hero of GWII, stated in 1950: "I defeated the French in the Ardennes and liberated Alsace-Lorraine, in part, due to the brilliance of General McAndrew."


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  2. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    I wonder what the Confederate Version of Hollywood would be like?
     
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  3. weaverj Fortnite Delenda Est

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    Well, we are told their movie studios were in Florida. So there is that.
     
  4. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    additionally, how about the big shot actors, actresses, and directors.
     
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  5. Nivek Mental Anime,Videogames,Football And Baseball Fan

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    A theme seems Pirates Movies were very popular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._W._Griffith is on the right side to be a sucessful director in the confederacy, and we can't forget how own Featherstone own Propaganda Minister Saul Goldman(or Goldwyn OTL) was a cinema buff and pusher for it..the rest...is a mini sandbox to play.

    Tex Avery is on the right side to be the lead cartoonist of the CSA...and maybe something like this would be a featherstone favorite
     
  6. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    A photo of the Confederate Heavy Cruiser CSS Tennessee underway off Cuba, circa 1939.
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    The Union Heavy Cruiser, USS Boston at port in Halifax, circa 1943.
     
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    a old drawing of a child's depiction in a concentration camp during the population reduction
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  8. Pard Henis New Member

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    Picture taken in 1966 of four old former Confederate steam liners in a ship breaker yard in Delaware
    far left is the SS Jefferson Davis, left is the SS Robert E. Lee, right is the SS Confederate dream and in the far right is the SS Woodrow Wilson.
    The last ship in the four to be broken up was the Wilson in 2005.
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  9. Nathan Bernacki Well-Known Member

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    Photos from various stages of the Population Reduction


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    Just after liberation, a black inmate is seen eating with a white political prisoner.



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    A photo of the women's section of Camp Determination



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    A black US soldier is seen posing with bodies of white political prisoners at Camp Determination.


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    A white political prisoner suffering from hunger

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    A then/now composite of a black prisoner as a child and as a disabled adult.
     
  10. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    Good depictions of the non-Black victims of the Featherson Regime
     
  11. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    Discarded airframes of the now defunct Confederate Air Force awaiting disposal at a boneyard near Atlanta Georgia, circa 1946.
     
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  12. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    The 2nd Great War exhibit at the National Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton, Ohio. The museum would be first opened in 1920, three years after the First Great War, which the collection housed early military aircraft of the Union Military as well some Confederate aircraft captured during the war. In 1941 when the Confederacy invaded Ohio, much of the items on display at the museum were hidden to prevent their destruction at the hands of the Confederacy. After the war in 1946, the museum was re-opened and currently the oldest and largest aviation museum of the world, with 370 aircraft and missiles on display. The museum houses the largest collection of aircraft of the former Confederate Air Force anywhere in the world, including the only complete original example of an A44 Raptor, two Hound Dogs (one of them is loaned out to the Smithsonian as of 2019), an original fuselage of a Chickenhawk (with replica wings and tail added in the 1990s), a Talbot T-32 tri-motor that was Featherson's personal transport from 1934 to 1936, a restored B-33 that was recovered from the Everglades in the 1980s, the Hughes V36 from the CSS Minnow, and a B-37 Kestrel that was captured in 1942 after it accidentally landed at a Union controlled airfield, along some other military aircraft from the Confederacy. Other notable aircraft in the museum's collection is a Screaming Eagle which was the personal mount for the famed fighter ace Gabby Grebeski, the sole remaining XB-70 prototype, the very B-22 Vindicator that dropped the superbomb on Newport News, and the famed B20 Devastator named the Columbus Belle, and the Piper Cub that was used the personal liaison plane for General Morrell.
     
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    Anybody have any concept art of American currency in this TL? Obviously people like Lincoln, FDR, Grant, won't appear on U.S. coins and bills. I could see Theodore Roosevelt and Al Smith appearing, and maybe Mahan.
     
  14. Spencer Pease Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think Smith would appear, not after his foolishly trying to deal with Featherston. The most likely Socialist President to appear on currency would be Sinclair.
     
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    I'm not sure, I think Smith being killed during the war would've made him a martyr of sorts. Kinda like with JFK how his infidelity and Bay of Pigs was forgotten after he was assassinated, the same would go for Al Smith.
     
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    Death From Below: The True Story of Confederate Frogmen during the 2nd Great War.
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    A post-war artists conception about the Confederate Navy's underwater special forces unit called the 12th Special Assault Flotilla.

    While in Cuba during his election campaign in 1932, future President Jake Featherston would witness a couple of fishermen diving in the water to hunt fish, in which they would dynamite. While thinking about the whole thing later that evening, the good fairy would strike, in which Featherston thought about an idea of a new Confederate special forces unit that could attack enemy vessels at their anchorage without the enemy knowing it until it was too late. After getting into power in 1934, the Snake would propose this idea to the Confederate Admiralty, but most of the Admiralty would have negative thoughts about it. They thought that this very idea was a dumb one at best, plus the Admiralty would be in more favor of building new Capital Ships and Cruisers to compete with the Union Navy. However, some of them would at least take the President's idea and thought it was an idea worth trying. Under the direction of Vice Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, an experimental unit led by Captain Michael Jolson would practice and test this concept by placing dummy explosive charges on ships at the Tampa Naval Base. Finally on May 5th, 1937, the Kimmel would show off this new unit to the Confederate Admiralty and to President Featherston in order to prove the concept of assault divers. The divers would plant real demolition charges on an old Confederate Navy torpedo boat, the former CSS TB-11, in the Bay of Guantanamo. The divers would end up planting the charges and in turn, the charges would detonate and sink the ship. This demonstration would stun the Admirals there, though they would still dislike the concept, would at least let the project go forward.
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    An artist's rendition of a Mk I "Pig" manned torpedo moving covertly through a Union controlled port.

    The next problem for the new Assault Swimmer unit was the delivery vehicle for both them and the limpet mine, and more importantly, a way to transport them to the edge of enemy territory. As for the transport, they both used modified auxiliary cruisers and modified submarines to carry the delivery vehicle and their crew of two frogmen each. The problem of said delivery vehicle was eventually solved the development of the Special Underwater Mine Transport or SUMT Mk I, or more famously known as the Pig, which was the intended codename of the vehicle.
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    The Auxiliary Cruiser CSS Ares, which along with the Auxiliary Cruiser CSS Port of Spain, they would serve as a point where the Frogmen and their Pigs would depart from to attack enemy ships at a port. The CSS Ares would be destroyed in a friendly fire incident by the submarine CSS Dogfish on June 4th, 1942 off the coast of New York.
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    A photo of the SS Port of Spain before here requisitioning by the Confederate Navy, circa 1937. The Port of Spain would serve on various covert Confederate operations throughout the war before her loss at the hands of the Union submarine USS Sturgeon in March of 1943 near Miami, Florida.
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    A diagram of the CSS Sargo, one of the many submarines that would be modified to carry the pigs in pods mounted onto their decks, and the mines.

    The first ever combat mission conducted by the 12th Special Assault Flotilla was during the Invasion of Haiti, the CSS Port of Spain positioned itself outside of Port-au-Prince posing a merchant ship from Panama. From there, the frogmen led by Captain Jolson infiltrated the harbor and planted limpet mines on the ships of the Haitian Navy. The following morning, the day of the invasion, the mines would detonate and the whole Haitian Navy would be sent to the bottom of their home base. Afterwards, the unit from the auxiliary cruisers Ares and Port of Spain would attack Union Naval Vessels in New York harbor on December 4th, 1941, in which they would plant mines of the Aircraft Carrier USS Oriskany, the Battleships New York, Nevada, and Colorado, and the Heavy Cruiser the USS Portland along with the Fleet Refueling Ship USS Winniebago. In the morning all of the mine would detonate, destroying the Winniebago (which would set the destroyer USS Gridley on fire, which was moored alongside the tanker) and damaging the Oriskany, New York, Nevada, and Portland, while the mines of the USS Colorado would fail to detonate. The damaged ship would spend several months at the New York Naval Yard undergoing repairs. As a result of the raid, on New Years Day 1942, President Featherston would award Captain Jolson with the Medal of Valor, the highest award for non-Freedom Party members of the Military and also make Jolson an honorary member of the Party.
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    A photo of two Confederate Navy sailors preparing a Frogmen (who in this photo is believed to be Captain Jolson) for an operation in New York harbor, circa 1942.

    Things took a down turn for the unit when on July 18th, 1943, the submarine CSS Grouper, which was carrying Jolson and his team, was sunk by the Union destroyers USS Hobbs and USS Johnston, killing all aboard (including the Frogmen.) The unit would still conduct missions against the Union Navy in the Atlantic and Caribbean, but was not as efficient as when Jolson led them. The unit would ultimately be made into infantrymen on the ground and fought at Mobile against the Union Army in 1944. Frogmen operations would also extend to the rivers and lakes within the United States and the Confederacy during the war, under the formations of the 14th and 15th Special Assault Flotilla, in which they would be more successful than their Blue Water counterparts as they would prove to be a nuisance to the Union Army and Navy not only mining their boats, but also going ashore and attacking critical Union positions such as supply depots and communications centers.​
     
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    Excellent! (I'm curious to know the real-life context of these photographs)

    Sadly, I can see it happening that the existence of White victims of the Population Reduction being understated, if not outright ignored, by historians.

    I like how you added some shadowing onto the C.S. roundel.

    I've actually been inside the museum before a few times. Great choice of adding more detail to the story of TL-191!

    I had no idea this was actually a thing. Once again, another great addition for TL-191!
     
  18. Earthallias Who TF keeps liking but not replying?

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    Not enough modern photos it seems. Let's fix that
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    80s German superstar David Hasselhoff singing in front of thousands of Southrons at one of Richmond's former security checkpoint during the second struggle of independence
     
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    The Non-Confederate Citizen who ran for C.S. President

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    José Doroteo Arango, during his presidential campaign, ca. 1915

    Sometime during the 1960's, an interview was done to former-Confederate politician, José Doroteo Arango. He was found living in Mexico in Durango, where he was originally born, under a pseudonym: Francisco Villa. Initially refusing to acknowledge his birth name and his former history as the presidential candidate for the Radical Liberal Party of the Confederacy, Arango (Villa) eventually agreed to be interviewed when the U.S. government sent him a letter that he was not to be arrested for his former Confederate political connections and regarded him as an non-enemy due to the Radical Liberal Party's historic reputation for being against the Confederate Freedom Party.

    From the interview, it was discovered that Arango was born on 5 June 1878 in Mexico and grew up in a hacienda called Rancho de la Coyotada. His father was Agustín Arango and his mother was Micaela Arámbula. At the age of 16 in 1894, he migrated to the Confederate state of Chihuahua for better job opportunities. In the state, he obtained a higher education with the help of the Hispanic-Confederate community. He noted that he thought that the reason why he was helped was the fact that he could pass as White. To be sure, he stated that he would constantly use skin whitening cream to hide his noticeable tan during the hot summers. At the beginning of the 20th Century, Arango met the Confederate governor of Chihuahua, Abraham González, and was mentored by him. Before winning his own gubernational election in Chihuahua, Arango became heavily involved with a group of Confederate progressives who felt that the future of the Confederacy could not be dependent on the Whigs. During his term as governor, he improved the livelihood of both White and Moreno inhabitants of Chihuahua with Radical Liberal policies.

    When the 1915 C.S. presidential election occurred, Arango was chosen as the Radical Liberal candidate against the Whig candidate, Gabriel Semmes, who was also the Vice-President under Thomas Wilson. During the campaign, he argued for an increase in the industrialization of the Confederacy and Universal Suffrage regardless of race. The latter brought about great controversy in Confederate society and in the Confederate government. Although he did not win the election by a large margin, Arango became a thorn in the side of the Whig government. In a move of Whig sabotage, it was discovered after the election that Arango was not actually a Confederate citizen, but an Imperial Mexican citizen from Durango. This was a violation of the Confederate Constitution, which required only natural-born citizens of the CSA to run for president. When news of this broke around the Confederacy and the world, he escaped to Mexico and remained there for the rest of his life.

    Arango claimed that he knew that he was constitutionally ineligible to run for the presidency, but felt that he owed the Radical Liberal Party and the state of Chihuahua so much for helping him get ahead in life. He was sure that no one would have realized that he was not a C.S. citizen, but thought that his racial appearance would have been enough to dispel suspicion. Arango claimed that had he been of Anglo descent, his lack of proper citizenship would not have been discovered by the Whigs.

    When the Mexican Civil War of 1920-1930 occurred, Arango was supportive of the monarchists but had very little financial power to give to the Imperial government. He was constantly targeted by republican forces until the monarchy won.

    Several last things he mentioned during his interview were the following:
    • He said that had he won the 1915 election, he would have pushed for a stronger mobilization of using Black Confederates against the USA. In fact, when he discovered that the French in Europe had a large mutiny and pulled out of the war, he claimed that he would have sent Black troops to France to help fight against Germany in order to fill up the deficit of soldiers. This would have relieved some worry within the Confederacy about another Red Rebellion and France would have lasted longer in the war.
    • Although not necessarily a racist, Arango was indifferent to the plight of Blacks in the CSA. His support for universal suffrage was done for pragmatic reasons, instead of moral ones. Audiences who saw the interview noted how little he seemed to be affected with the knowledge of millions of Blacks being murdered. By comparison, he showed more anger toward the idea of Chihuahua being a U.S. state.
    • He was in brief contact, via letters, with Reginald Bartlett when he was active in the Radical Liberal Party before his execution.
    Arango would later die of cardiac ochronosis due to heavy use of skin whiteners some time after the interview.

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    Arango during the time of his interview, colorized.*

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    1) https://visionhispanausa.com/historias-locales/legendary-link-son-of-pancho-villa
    2) http://hispanicnewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/01/pancho-villas-last-known-son-dies.html
    3) http://www.navavilla.com/
    4) https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/ernesto-nava-obituary?pid=138334990
    *In real-life, this is actually one of Villa's sons.
     
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  20. S. Marlowski Writer of an upcoming fantasy series

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    A photo of Louise Emma Paddington, circa 1939. Paddington was one of the top movie actresses of the Confederacy during the mid to late 1930s and would be referred to as "Featherston's Darling" due to her close relationship with President Featherston and Administration.

    I will expand on her bio sometime tomorrow or Thursday.