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  1. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red Gone Fishin'

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    Essentially, JFK has a string of affairs and gropes every woman who gets in arm's reach, Tricky Dick hates his guts even though JFK plans to succeed the Boss, Pelley is too insane and fanatical to bother to appoint a successor or fuck up the government system too much because he's busy focusing on the South and breaking Southern society down into atoms, so literally the moment Pelley bites it the two idiots go at each other with scandals and wiretapping and disgrace until nobody's willing to vote for either of them (tbh I should change the timeline just a bit to have Pelley die a year or so earlier, but whatever), which lets MLK run an outsider campaign in the primary, which lets MLK win because the only thing JFK and Tricky Dick manage to do with their election-day sabotage against each other is screw BOTH of them over.

    MLK is smart enough to recognize Pelley's regime for the nest of snakes and jackals that it is, but he also genuinely believes in the insane racial theories, so basically he tries a new tactic to see the Great Work (tm) of breeding a new master race to completion, inadvertently restores proper democracy out of a belief that God's chosen race needs to be unshackled from the restrictions placed on the nation by Pelley, and Parks wins the '72 election because the Redeemers are still going at it with each other, and she's smart enough and outside the Party machinery enough to recognize the insanity for what it is, and since she's a member of that God's chosen hybrid race that Pelley wanted so much, she gets special status from the Redeemers, and is able to ram through most of her agenda. But lingering pro-Confederate forces try to pull some shit when she ends military rule in the South, so the public is scared enough to vote in the Redeemers again. Cue President Farrakhan--like Yeltsin, but even more stupid, petty, and thuggishly authoritarian.
     
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  2. akoslows Well-Known Member

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    This honestly sounds like it could be made into its own TL. I’d definitely read it.
     
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  3. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red Gone Fishin'

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    Thank you! Wait until you see the next three Presidents!
     
  4. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red Gone Fishin'

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    Part 2 of 3!
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    Louis Walcott, Redeemer President of the United States from 1981-1985. Inept and authoritarian, Walcott opposed Parks's de-Pelleyization policies and was elected after a spurt of neo-Freedomite white supremacist attacks in the South; his bungled, draconian response (costing the lives of dozens of innocent civilians and the unjust imprisonment of thousands more) and attempt to bring back the hated NPP cost him re-election. The North had never been as heavily indoctrinated as Dixieland under Pelley's regime, just yoked under an authoritarian regime, and Pelley had never bothered to monitor Yankee or southern black schools too closely outside of mandating that his picture be in every classroom; King had cared even less, and didn't even bother with the pictures. The result was a North that contained significant Socialist hotbeds and a lot of people who didn't buy the government line the same way indoctrinated Dixielanders did, and though Walcott was aided by fear in '80, in '84 his approval rating north of the Mason-Dixon was only slightly higher than that of infamous British ex-singer and pedophile Paul Gadd, who had become one of the most hated people on the planet after his arrest in 1982. Walcott lost in a landslide and retired into disgrace, the beginning of a losing streak for the Redeemers.
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    Ernest E. Evans, first Native American President of the United States (half Cherokee and 1/4 Creek), from 1985-1989. Born in Confederate territory, Evans moved with his family to Chicago in 1916 during the Yankee push into the Confederacy, due to worsening racial tensions in the CSA. Awarded multiple medals for valor in the Second Great War for his service in the Navy, Evans settled into a quiet life as a minor Loyal Democrat politico after being allowed into the Illinois state legislature as a token non-Redeemer member so Pelley could pretend America was still a democracy. Slowly working his way up from there under King and Parks, Evans won a surprise victory in the '84 Presidential election due to a brokered Socialist convention, vote-splitting, and President Walcott being as popular as pubic lice outside of the reliably-Redeemer South. 76 years old, Evans served only one term before retiring due to failing health, and mostly served as a steady hand on the metaphorical tiller. Modern historians believe him to be a much better President than he was considered at the time due to his contributions to America's return to democratic rule.
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    President Shirley Chisholm (Socialist, 1989-1993), a Northern black and second female President. With even the Redeemers starting to moderate a bit, Chisholm's administration tried to take the fight to Coming Race Theory. This worked fairly well in the North, which had never subscribed all that much to Pelley's crazier theories and only went along with him out of a national desire for brutal revenge on the Confederates back in the '30s, but not so well in the South, where the brainwashing had taken root more. Hardline Coming Race believers organized antigovernment groups and threatened whites and blacks who didn't go into suitably interracial marriages, sometimes violently, despite disavowals by former President King and most of the Redeemers (some of the Redeemers, of course, said that the goddamn anti-hybridists had it coming, trying to prevent the formation of the master race of the future like that). The crisis would last into the 2000s, with Philadelphia's attempts to stop the violence hampered by the formation of violent black-nationalist and white-nationalist groups in response to the Coming Race Society's violence, and the unreliability of local police forces, many of which had barely-concealed black-nationalist or Coming Race Society loyalties, and were more than willing to engage in unnecessary violence against "suspected Coming Race Society agents" and "suspected Black Hebrew Nation supporters", respectively.
     
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    Basically, TTL's Pelley being laser-focused on "eradicating the degenerate Norman Southerner from our sacred shores in the name of Christ the Lord and his flying saucer" translated to his regime in the north never really bothering with a full 1984/Nazi Germany level of indoctrination. Elections were rigged but the population wasn't monitored outside of anybody who got too loud in criticizing the government being slapped down. Think the PRI regime in 20th century Mexico; TTL's Union is basically if 20th century Mexico was also an industrial powerhouse and super revanchist against a cartoonishly evil apartheid state.
     
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    Third and final part of America's recovery from civil war 4.0 and Pelley's...unique approach to reality.
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    President Jesse Jackson (Socialist, 1993-2001). Squeaking to victory after President Chisholm resigned due to failing health, Jesse Jackson continued the fight against racial violence in the South, despite increasing rifts with the Loyal Democrats and the disintegration of the rickety post-German order in Africa. With the "third Great War" tearing up the Congo, genocide in the mountains of East Africa as the central government fought off rebel movements in Kirenya, Buganda, and Rwanda-Burundi, and the Muslim countries of the Sahara and North Africa fighting over disputed oil fields in brushfire conflicts, Jackson was faced with an increasingly uncertain domestic zeitgeist and world stage. Jackson attempted to compromise with the Redeemers and Loyal Democrats on the final stages of de-Pelleyization in an attempt to stop the racial conflict in the South as it descended into de facto gang warfare, but as his second term wore on the people, especially in the North, increasingly grew tired of the half-measures.
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    President Bernie Sanders (True Revolutionary Socialist, 2001-2009). After defeating Loyal Democrat candidate John Kerry, Socialist candidate Howard Dean (brokered convention, the Party pulled dirty tricks, Sanders' supporters walked out), and soon-to-be Most Hated Man In America John Edwards of the Redemption party in a chaotic four-way race, Bernie Sanders became the first Jewish President of the United States and the first white President since Pelley. Objecting to the Socialist party's turn to the center on economics and waffling on social policy, Sanders drove a hard line on re-committing to President Parks's post-racial society plan and a revitalization of American labor unions, which had been yoked to the government under Pelley and which Sanders made independent again despite a ferocious fight from the deeply divided Congress. Sanders's administration successfully captured or killed all of the core leaders of the Coming Race Society, Black Hebrew Nation Movement, and Stars And Bars League and disbanded the groups' militias, ending 95% of the racial violence in the South. However, an increasingly uncooperative Congress, the decline of the Redeemers in the South in favor of the Loyal Democrats, and a failure to reconcile the two branches of the Socialist party led to electoral disaster in 2008, which cause a surprise Loyal Democrat victory in that year.
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    Barry Soetoro, President of the United States (Loyal Democrat, 2009-2017). Soetoro's tenure saw the Loyal Dems align with the True Revolutionary Socialists politically, eschewing any concessions to Coming Race Theory in favor of a post-racial thrust. Ironically, Soetoro is himself considered part of the Coming Race by remnant Pelley true-believers, which drives a lot of computer-network conspiracy theories. However, Soetoro's mismanagement of the economy proved his downfall, and the True Revolutionary Socialists came back with a vengeance...*
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    President Rashida Tlaib (True Revolutionary Socialist, 2017-present). First Muslim and third female President, Tlaib is the children of immigrants who came to America under the King administration. Growing up under President Parks's de-Pelleyization period, Tlaib is a Sanders protege who made it big in the Senate before moving on to the big seat. By 2017, the USA is once more a largely stable democracy, though the South remains an economic backwater and social tensions remain high. The North, however, is stable and booming, but coming to terms with the brutality of its past under Pelley. The party system, on the other hand, remains in some flux, effectively a 3.5 party system (TRSPUSA, SPUSA, LDPUSA, and the Redeemers as the .5 on the end and de facto a regional party now) with significant political pressure for removing the Electoral College and/or instituting ranked choice voting due to several elections in a row where the President won with a plurality or even a minority of the popular vote, and the continuing mess of the in-flux House of Representatives.

    *Yes, TTL's Obama is basically the opposite of OTL's, being against compromise but also wrecking what had been a fairly stable economy handed to him by Sanders, instead of compromising himself between a rock and a hard place while fixing an ailing economy.
     
  8. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red Gone Fishin'

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    Tomorrow (well, later today, it's 3 AM here) I'm gonna try to write up some pop culture stuff from my headcanon version of this TL. :)
     
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    I'm starting to get a bit annoyed at constantly using this type of North America Map Template, but it serves its purpose.

    Anyway, ever since I made that "Third Southern Victory" map, I thought about making other "alternate-within-alternate" maps that depict the Confederacy winning the Second Great War, regardless of plausibility and without specifying what the primary alternate point of divergence was.

    The Man in the Heart of Dixie
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    Influenced by CapitalistHippie's post, I made a map of how North America could look like if it won SGW. Here are some details:
    • Setting is during the 1960's.
    • The Confederacy under the CFP (Confederate Freedom Party) became expansionistic and annexed Missouri, West Virginia, half of New Mexico (it is called Arizona and was made to have a close connection to Deseret, which was given independence after the SGW), Sequoyah, the Bahamas, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Bermuda, and Puerto Rico.
    • Belize requested to be annexed to the Confederacy to avoid being conquered by similar expansionistic Empire of Mexico. Mexican California was forcefully sold to the Confederacy.
    • Empire of Mexico was allowed to annex nearly all of Central America. The Nicaraguan (Mexican) Canal was eventually built, although the CSA has a renewable lease in perpetuity. Tensions between Mexico and the CSA are high when it is revealed that illegal immigrants from Mexico are also rounded up to concentration camps for the Population Reduction.
    • Black Confederates have been extinct since the end of the 1940's. The President(s) after Featherston adopted an explicit Scientific Racist policy against the remaining Non-Whites in the Confederacy. Native Sequoyahns, Sonoran and Chihuahuan Confederates, Bahamians, Haitians, Dominicans, Jamaicans, and Puerto Ricans experience their own version of the Population Reduction.
    • Despite being a White Supremacist, Featherston disagreed with the idea of killing off the Brawners (an umbrella-term slur used against those with brown skin in the Confederacy) because he did not view them to be traitors to the CSA. He was ignored and silenced by the younger generation of CFP members who were zealous and more charismatic than him. His old age was a reason for slowly loosing control of the Party.
    • The State of Free Canada was established after the end of the war, with its capital moved to Toronto. New Brunswick, P.E.I., Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland were also annexed into the new nation, despite having some sympathy toward the U.S..
    • The Republic of Quebec was one of the first nations to recognize Free Canada after it realized that it was on the losing side of the war. Quebec was allowed to keep its independence.
    • Russian America still exists, but parts of it, including parts of the Russian Far East were conquered by the Empire of Japan.
    • In South America, Colombia and Venezuela begin talks to form Gran Colombia again and, eventually, create some kind of continental nation to counteract against a rising CSA.
    • Greenland and Iceland exist.
    • It is implied that Britain, France, and Russia won the war.
    • Japan still made their betrayal in this timeline. They control Hawaii and nearly every island in the Pacific.
    • The USA has been humiliated and defeated for the third time against the CSA and her allies since 1882. The Socialists lose power in government but still have some influence in politics. Despite being a large country with many resources, the USA's power is emasculated and no longer has any allies in North America, but is instead surrounded by countries who are enemies and one of which is a nuclear power. However, they're willing to give it another shot in finding another ally. If not in British-French/Russian dominated Europe, then perhaps in Asia where Japan stands alone?
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    Another alternate take on the Confederacy winning SGW, title influenced by "Fatherland", by Robert Harris.
    • The Confederacy is not expansionistic, with the exception of conquering Haiti after all Blacks were killed. No Population Reduction to the remaining Non-White population occurs... for now.
    • Featherston, surprisingly, kept his promise on getting all the lands that were taken from the CSA and has more control of the nation, instead of allowing to be governed by a younger generation of CFP members. However, he is getting too old to rule and must decide who can he trust to rule the Confederacy.
    • Belize, the Bahamas, Bermuda, and Jamaica were incorporated into the British Empire.
    • Canada as an independent nation exists and allows Quebec to continue being a sovereign nation.
    • The Mormon rebellion failed, especially without the support of the CSA. Utah remains a U.S. state; implied that the Mormon population was "taken care of", but not killed.
    • Empire of Mexico is also not expansionistic.
    • The nations of Central America still exist and continue to be influenced by either Mexico or the CSA.
    • Japan never betrays their alliance with Russia, Britain, and France.
    • Implied that Britain was the only European nation in their alliance to not be super-bombed. A ceasefire occurred between Britain and Germany. Europe is dominated by a British-German rivalry. (Kind of weird: the Central Powers won in Europe, but lost in North America)
    • North America is dominated by a U.S.-CSA+allies rivalry. It has become worse when both nations became nuclear powers...
    • Greenland and Iceland exist.
    • South America is South America.
    • Setting is shortly after the war or it's also during the 1960's.
     
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    The "Other" Freedomites
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    Generally considered a footnote in Canadian-American history, a religious group emerged in Canada that called themselves the Svobodniki, "free people" in Russian. A breakaway group from the Dukhobors, the group was known for their naked protests against the Canadian government for refusing to send their children to government-run schools.

    After the U.S. conquered Canada, the Freedomites faced severe persecution from the military and engaged in removing many children from their Freedomite parents between

    Today, the United States government has officially apologized for engaging in persecutional activities against the NeoDukhobors (formerly named Freedomites due to the negative connotation) and a minor population of the religious group still exists within the northern region of the United States, but most were able to find a new home in Alaska, where the new government after SGW allowed them to practice their way of life without government intervention.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedomites
    http://www.doukhobor.org/Soukeroff.html
    https://www.thrillist.com/culture/t...eard-of-obscure-religious-sects-and-societies
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Jessicamsh...mber_of_the_doukhobor_religious_sect_watches/
     
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    Original cover of A Princess of Mars, by Edgar Rice Burroughs, the first of the popular "Barsoom romances" series. A favorite of Union dictator William Dudley Pelley (and widely believed to have inadvertently inspired Coming Race Theory), the series depicts Mars as a slowly-dying world, where the hardy and noble race of Black Martians and a faction of the ivory-skinned White Martians called the Menthars were forced to interbreed by worsening planetary conditions, creating a new, hardy race of Red Martians that soon took over the planet, despite efforts by the evil, decadent, and corrupt White Martian faction, the Therns, to deny the Reds their rightful power.

    First Civil War veteran John Carter, a noble Appalachian farmer from OTL West Virginia who gladly joined the Union cause against the foul treason of Jefferson Davis and lost his family to Confederate desperadoes in the war, is searching for a fabled city of gold in the depths of the Rocky Mountains when he encounters a mysterious cave; falling asleep, Carter awakens on the mysterious world of Barsoom, a desert planet with light gravity, which makes Carter a veritable superman. Encountering the bizarre Green Martians, a species of insectoid multi-armed aliens, Carter soon earns their respect through his honorable conduct, fighting prowess, and respect for their "racial traditions". After some time with the Greens and their leader, Tars Tarkas, Carter witnesses a battle between Red Martian airships, and saves a Red soldier, revealed to be the beautiful Princess Dejah Thoris, from falling to her death. Drawn by Thoris's plea for aid into a messy and pointless honor-war between the Martian cities of Helium and Zodanga, Carter faces off against Zodangan leader Sab Than, the "flower of Zodangan chivalry" and a peerless warrior, as well as the secret manipulations of the cannibal Therns, who seek to weaken and destroy both cities so they can enslave the inhabitants for menial labor and food. Discovering the Therns' plan after being captured by the Therns' leader, Holy Hekkador Matai Shang, Carter escapes with the aid of Tars Tarkas and his loyal calot (a Martian dog-analogue), Woola.

    But Dejah Thoris is about to wed Sab Than as part of a desperate plan to end the war peacefully; something that the Therns will not allow, attempting to kill both bride and groom at their wedding. Carter arrives, however, with a Green Martian army, and unveils Matai Shang, causing the Thern leader and his minions to flee in terror. Finally, to end the war, Carter demands an honor duel with Sab Than, and after a tense battle, defeats the Zodangan leader, who surrenders and agrees that the honor of Helium and Zodanga has been satisfied, considering the circumstances. Carter and Thoris marry, and Carter realizes that Mars--or Barsoom, as its inhabitants call it--is now his home, not Earth. Unfortunately, Matai Shang returns in disguise, and tricks Carter into letting Shang send him back to the strange cave on Earth. Despondent, Carter leaves the Rockies for a new, more powerful United States, though his heart remains on Mars, setting up a sequel...

    Widely considered a classic, A Princess of Mars was wildly popular during the early Pelley era, in part due to the dictator's well-known love for the book. Pelley commissioned several propaganda movies based on Burroughs's works, all of which (as one might expect) pushed Coming Race-supremacist themes rather extensively. A reboot series by the venerable SLK Entertainment conglomerate is entering production on the fifth film.

    Burroughs's series would be continued even after his death, with new titles such as The Coming Race of Mars!, Carter at the World's End, Tarzan vs. John Carter!, and several somewhat condensed comic-book/graphic-novel versions of the series being published by Burroughs's principal publisher, Amazing Fantasy Comics And Stories (later SLK Entertainment following a post-Pelley rebranding), with post-Burroughs original novels ghostwritten by other authors. Though the series has waned in popularity since the Pelley days, it still has a following among those sympathetic to Coming Race Theory, as well as science-fiction fans in general, who consider it the first really successful American sci-fi franchise.
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    Cover of Amazing Stories, December 1945. Published by Amazing Fantasy Comics And Stories/SLK Entertainment, this magazine was the exclusive source for Edgar Rice Burroughs's wildly popular Tarzan adventure novels in the late 1930s through early 1940s, gaining exclusive rights to the character after Burroughs's death. Tarzan stories would traditionally be accompanied by pictures drawn by Amazing artistic mainstay Jacob Kurtzburg, a legendarily creative and prolific artist, though the cover art was usually done by a different house artist each month--explaining this particular cover's inaccurate depiction of Tarzan as a white man.

    The Tarzan series follows John Clayton, son of a runaway slave and a Quaker minister, who loses his parents as a baby when their ship is sunk and they wash up in an unexplored bit of African coastline (later revealed in controversial post-Burroughs material to be a sort of alternate dimension laying "on top" of a real part of Africa, a revelation that many fans felt spoiled the pulp aesthetic), only to be killed by a leopard. Raised by apes, Tarzan's mother's heritage gives him great physical condition, a keen mind, and a strong sense of morality and justice, while his father's blood gives him a strong creative drive, a boundless curiosity, and...well, a strong sense of morality and justice, no sense not doubling down on that one. Becoming the "king" of the jungle thanks to his combination of brains, brawn, and noble outlook, Tarzan's life is shaken when he meets a group of explorers including the lovely Jane Porter, daughter of an American explorer. Smitten, Tarzan abandons his normal routine to follow the strangers through the jungle, saving Jane from a leopard when she's separated from the group, and helps the ape leader Kerchak defend the ape tribe from villainous German hunter von Vilinus (later revealed to be a Frenchman in disguise with an evil plot to get Jane killed as part of a complex plot to break the US-German alliance). However, Tarzan is wounded and Kerchak killed fighting von Vilinus, and Jane nurses the ape-man back to health. The castaways are found by an American ship, and take Tarzan with them back to civilization, where he has trouble fitting in, and after Jane (herself confused by her feelings) rashly accepts a marriage proposal, the depressed ape-man returns to the jungle, where once more he takes his rightful place as King of the Jungle.

    Later Tarzan novels would introduce fan-favorite characters like the Waziri, a noble race of proud tribal Africans who bravely struggle against villainous Franco-Belgian encroachment (Definitely no careful avoidance of criticizing the US's allies in Berlin here, not at all, no siree!); La, deuteragonist and beautiful ebon-skinned Queen of the lost Atlantean city of Opar, who wants Tarzan's genetically superior seed so she can have his babies and reverse the slow decline of her people (male Oparians are bestial ape-like savages, while the women are universally ethereally beautiful "ideals of Negro womanhood"); Sir Humphrey Featherstonehaugh, Baronet of Nottinghamshire Fork, an evil Briton who wants to enslave the Waziri and exploit them for money and power; and Burroughs's other main protagonist, John Carter, temporarily and due to a misunderstanding Tarzan's enemy before they settle their differences and become friends. Like the Barsoom series, Tarzan's adventures would continue after Burroughs's death, as Amazing owners Stanley Lieber, Jacob Kurtzburg, and Hymie Simon decided to embrace Lieber's plan to keep the money mill spinning by hiring new authors to continue the company's breakout franchises.
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    It should be pretty clear here that Pelley's crazy ideas didn't come out of a vacuum; there was already a Yankee propaganda effort gone mainstream that had most of the population believing that black people are inherently noble and strong, and Northern whites inherently creative and curious (Southern whites of course being decadent, corrupt, and inherently evil according to this reasoning). Pelley is crazy, but he is but the culmination of a larger social trend that was pretty ordinary in terms of early-20th-century weird racism until Pelley actually showed up and it took a hard right turn into Crazy Town.
     
  12. theg*ddam*hoi2fan Beware of the Leopard

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    @Worffan101 - I really like how you use the pop culture to delve into TTL’s ideology :D Also cool how John Carter is now a Union vet...
     
  13. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red Gone Fishin'

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    I mean, with the Confederacy being the national enemy, having him be ex-Confederate just wouldn't do, lol.
     
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    Photograph of a young Black Confederate Slave, ca. 1880's

    During the Confederacy's early existence, extensive records about their slaves and their manumitted status were made and kept as historical curiosities in museums and archive rooms. The above photograph was found in Richmond's Confederate Library of Congress shortly after the CSA was dissolved. It was discovered that the photograph was that of a Confederate slave who was from the plantation of James Burroughs in southwest Virginia, near Hale's Ford in Franklin County, Virginia. The name of the slave was Booker and was purchased by a Confederate government official who worked in Richmond. Booker was present in Richmond when the Second Mexican War occurred and tried to escape to the United States but was caught and executed.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booker_T._Washington#Early_life
     
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    American Second Great War propaganda poster depicting Jake Featherston.
     
  17. Allochronian Well-Known Member

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    There would probably be a similar variation of military uniforms for the CSA army, especially during the Second Mexican War, although it would be even more rare since the uniforms would be more standardized by that time.

    I can see Sequoyahn soldiers having the most unique and diverse military uniforms of the CSA.


    Almost perfect!

    Just have an actual Featherston portrayed by an brunet Eric Stoltz look-alike, change the uniform and color of the barrels to a butternut color, give the C.S. soldiers OTL WWII American uniforms, change the x to an actual red St. Andrew's cross, and you'll have a very convincing anti-Confederate propaganda poster.

    I like the little CF flag you edited. :)
     
  18. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    I actually found a photo of one of them.
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    I could actually see them preserving the uniform outside of active combat for a ceremonial role. Up until the Featherstone period and his reforms... especially considering their gentleman club elements.
     
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    The Confederates living up to their 'Revolutionary' heritage.

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    A South Carolina Succession Banner, 1860.

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    That last one... replace Missouri with the Indian Territory and it's near perfect TL-191 art come to life! :)