Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

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  1. m0585 Well-Known Member

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    A German NCO with the 7th Jäger-Division instructs Norwegian civilians on the use of a MG-42 prior to the Battle of Dombas in August, 1942. The Battle of Dombas would see both the 7th and Norwegian civilians, outraged by the Entente invasion of Norway, battle against Entente forces to prevent Norway from being cut in half. The battle would devolve into urban fighting and cause severe casualties on both sides. Although Entente forces came close to winning the battle, the intervention of the German XIV Panzer Corps, freed up from victory in the Battle of Hamburg, ensured that Entente efforts came to grief. The battle was the turning point the Norwegian Campaign, as the Entente was forced to withdraw due to increasing pressure on the Western Front.

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    Famous Black Americans in TL-191

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    Augustus Tolton, the first Black Catholic Priest in the United States.
    Cardinal Pacelli visited his grave in Quincy, IL during his trip to the USA and CSA in the 1930's


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    Photograph of Black Abolitionist Harriet Tubman, sometime after the War of Secession, circa 1868.
    Despite the Confederacy succeeding in keeping slavery, Tubman was still able to be involved in helping runaway slaves escape to the United States.
    Her story was not well-known in the United States until after the Second Great War, when she and other Black American figures before ,during and after
    the War of Secession were thoroughly researched and given historical recognition for their deeds.

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    Photograph of George Carver, one of the few Black American scientists to have ever existed before the Second Great War, Circa 1942.
    Although he died a year before the end of SGW, Carver hoped that the United States would eventually win and help the Black Confederates.

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    Photograph of W.E.B. Dubois, a Black American sociologist, author, activist, historian, and a staunch supporter of the Socialist Party, 1946.
    Dubois would dedicate the rest of his life, until his death in 1963, to support victims of the Population Reduction via charities, education, and legislative action.

     
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    Robert Smalls’s escape from slavery.


    OTL: On May 13th 1862, Robert Smalls made his escape from slavery by stealing a Confederate ship. Smalls, the son of a house slave and, allegedly, the plantation owner’s son, was raised in the family home. As a teenager, he worked as a day labourer and sailor on the waterfront in Charleston. When the American Civil War began in 1861, Smalls was hired as a deckhand on Confederate supply ship the Planter. Smalls meticulously noted details of the ship and planned navigation routes, preparing to make his escape. In the early hours of May 13th, 1862, while the white crew slept in the city, Smalls and a small group of slaves - which included his wife and children - sailed the Planter out of Charleston. Smalls applied his knowledge from months of working on the ship to provide the correct signals at checkpoints, enabling the ship to sail to the Union blockade. The Planter raised a white flag of surrender, and was accepted by the Union ships. Smalls brought him not just recently-freed slaves, but the valuable Confederate plans and weaponry found aboard the ship. His daring escape earned him accolades from Congress, and his subsequent speaking tour made him a visible spokesperson for African-Americans fighting in the Union army; Smalls himself served as a naval captain.

    End of OTL.

    Any ideas on his fate in TL-191?
     
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    I actually mentioned Robert Smalls on the TL-191 Command thread awhile ago.

    His popularity would be short-lived after the end of the war and he would probably spend the rest of his days in Washington, D.C. in relative obscurity.
    I can see him witnessing the Bombing of D.C. during the Second Mexican War. He'd be a big supporter of Lincoln but would be at a crossroads at following him to the Socialist Party or stay with the Republicans.

    If I had to go down the pessimistic road, he probably gets lynched by an angry White mob during a race riot sometime after the War of Secession/Second Mexican War.
     
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    Another comic strip entry for TL-191...

    Henry King Ketcham, better known as Hank Ketcham, (1920-2001) was an American cartoonist best known for Dennis the Menace.

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    At the age of six, an illustrator visited Ketcham's house and showed him how to draw. Ketcham took to it instantly and spent many formative years constantly honing his artistic skills. After spending a single year at the University of Washington, he quit and hitchhiked to Los Angeles where he would work at both Walter Lantz and Walt Disney Studios as an animator.

    When conscription was activated before the Second Great War, Ketcham chose to take his chances at sea rather than be drafted for the United States Army; he served as a merchant seaman in the United States merchant navy.[1] When not at sea in the Pacific theater transporting supplies and soldiers against Japanese, Confederate and Mexican forces, he continued to draw. He submitted cartoons about a short, troublesome sailor Half Hitch which were printed in the Saturday Evening Post.[2]

    After the Second Great War, Ketcham left the merchant navy in 1946 and freelanced for many magazines. He hit on his greatest claim to fame when he thought up a gag panel about a troublesome five-and-a-half year old; the name came from his own son Dennis when Ketcham's wife complained to him about his son being a menace.

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    A color Dennis the Menace panel from 1951

    Dennis the Menace debuted in 1951. Ketcham would draw the panel until 1994 where he turned it over to his assistants; he continued to oversee the whole process until his death in 2001.[3] Dennis was an instant hit. Merchandising followed with Dennis toys hitting the market and Dennis as the mascot for the fast food chain Dairy Queen. A live-action TV series followed in 1959, an animated series in 1986, a television movie in 1987, and a theatrical film in 1993.

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    The infamous "Jackson" introduced in 1970

    In 1970, Ketcham courted a widespread backlash when he introduced a person of color named Jackson. Jackson debuted in a panel that Ketcham specifically intended as a commentary on racial attitudes. Ketcham often employed the technique of having Dennis embarrassingly repeat things he’d heard his parents say but hadn’t understood (such as referring to his mother’s friend, whom she’d said had a dye job, as “the lady with dead hair”), and in other circumstances one might find Ketcham put that technique to endearingly good use here to illustrate the concept that prejudice is something that is learned rather than innate: Dennis is innocently color blind and fails to recognize why he’s supposed to have “race trouble” with Jackson, because he knows the word “race” only as something that denotes a speed contest and doesn’t understand its use as an anthropological term. Hence his perception of “race trouble” is nothing more than being perturbed that Jackson runs faster than he does.

    Unfortunately for Ketcham, he completely undercut his message by depicting Jackson as if he'd stepped out of a nineteenth century minstrel show. Anger erupted in many American cities like Detroit, St. Louis, New York and Philadelphia. [4] Similar protests erupted in the former Confederacy like Little Rock, Miami, Greensboro, etc but for a different reason. Many readers and newspaper editors objected to white and black kids mingling with each other or even implied to live in the same neighborhood. At least a few letters found their way to Ketcham, warning him "We have enough trouble here in the South without you showing the kids together." [5]


    [1] In OTL, Ketcham enlisted in the US Navy as a photographer's mate; here he joins the merchant navy due to the possible butterflies of TL-191.
    [2] Just as in OTL.
    [3] Again, just as in OTL.
    [4] This actually happened in OTL. Snopes has more info here: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dennis-the-menace/
    [5] Inspired by what happened in OTL when Schulz introduced Franklin into Peanuts; he did get angry letters from Southerners when he showed Franklin attending the same school as Peppermint Patty.
     
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    [​IMG] Samuel Elliott in his famed 1972 film "Curtain Call" playing the role of Jonas Marston, a veteran of the First Great War trying to build a life for himself out in American Columbia. Only to find himself getting pulled into conflict after his ranch is attacked by bandits one night killing his son George in the fighting. Soon a chase begins as Jonas pursues the bandits across former Canada.

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    The Automobile from the beginning of "Curtain Call" (the image taken from the modern video game adaptation) highlighting the mood of the movie as the old west slowly begins to fade with the ongoing march of civilization. This theme would become more apparent with the army using weapons of the First Great War, the use of telephones and the zeppelin and biplanes being spotted in the distance at the end. Jonas Marston's motives would be gradual revealed throughout the movie via flashbacks and pieces of dialogue.

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    Lee Van Cleef as "Tomas Drake" the main antagonist of the film. A former Canadian soldier turned bandit and insurgent, alongside his fellow comrades. Following the loss of his country and family in the war. Becoming broken by the end of the movie after his gang had been wiped out by Marston and the US Army "I never meant to hurt your boy Marston it was supposed to be simple get the supplies and get out, nobody was supposed to get hurt but the shooting started... doesn't matter now though my country's gone, along with the closest thing I had to family left and for what? The gold's out of my reach now... it's just me and you that's left."

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    Thomas Selleck as George Hausner a former outlaw who and ally of Jonas Marston. Who realizing his days are numbered wishing to acquire the same stash of gold the Drake Gang is after, in hopes of retiring. Originally discovered and hidden by a late British officer who discovered it out on the Yukon. In the epilogue set thirty years later it is revealed that he managed to fake his death and take the gold for himself, leaving a small amount for Jonas in the mail and retiring to a quiet estate in Latin America.
     
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    so a movie from 1972 used computer-generated graphics that wouldn't be invented for another thirty years or so for one scene? XD
     
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  10. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    It's a modern representation...
     
  11. oshron Emperor of Rplegacy

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    you could've said that it was from a video game adaptation or something :p
     
  12. pattontank12 Better Dead than Red!

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    Done.
     
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    Photograph of Ulysses Grant, a veteran of the War of Secession and First Mexican War, writing a letter to an inquirer about his life, June 1885, one month before his death.
    In that letter, he was asked about his thoughts on the U.S. defeats in both the War of Secession and the Second Mexican War. This was part of his response:


    "...The Confederate Revolution and the War of '81 were largely the outgrowths of the First Mexican War. Nations, like individuals, are punished for their transgressions. We got our divine punishment in two of the most humiliating and expensive wars the remaining United States have experienced in modern times."


    *Inspired by OTL's Personal Memoirs of General U.S. Grant; chapter III, paragraph 11
    https://www.bartleby.com/1011/3.html
     
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    General Grant Wore a Beanie? Mind. Blown.
     
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    A very sad end for him ITTL - he's remembered as a drunk and a failure.
     
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  17. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Playing around with this a bit, basically everything after the first Great War happens differently because it gets too implausible for me to buy into.

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    Seven-term President and de facto dictator of America William Dudley Pelley, leader of the American Redemption Party and progenitor of Coming Race Theory. A clinically insane spiritualist who believed that Jesus spoke to him in dreams from a flying saucer crewed by reptilian aliens, Pelley dedicated his life to annihilating every trace of the Confederacy. Coming to power mostly by pure luck in the 1936 Presidential election, Pelley used a network of Redeemer Party-aligned National Protection Police to disappear dissidents who got too vocal and make sure the elections always came out in his favor, as well as keeping the former Confederacy under permanent martial law for decades and forcibly re-educating white Confederate youth in Yankee boarding schools. Fanatically opposed to the Confederate racial caste system, Pelley became enamored at an early age of Mexican hybrid-race theories, and promoted his belief that God had created the world for the sake of a new, "Coming Race" of mixed Yankees and blacks, a hybrid race with the strength of body and character unique to the noble Negro, and the entrepreneurial spirit and drive for adventure of the Yankee, all merged into one glorious creature with superior strength, constitution, intellect, faith, and moral fiber. Viewing the South as a "filthy country, full of a degenerate race of Norman brutes, incapable of high culture and inherently opposed to our Yankee race, who dare to oppress our valiant Negro brothers despite their own degeneracy", Pelley's United States crushed Jake Featherston's Confederacy in the Second Great War, forcibly annexing the region with the help of black rebels and massively superior industry, manpower, and armor, then set about restructuring society for the glory of the Coming Race. Black militias and Yankee occupation forces were reorganized into massive military police units who ruled the South with an iron fist, repossessing whatever they wished for formerly-oppressed blacks, and flooding the region with Yankee settlers and Yankee industry.

    Pelley would die of a stroke in early 1965, shortly before he was to assume his eighth term in office as President. His successors would gradually reduce the pervasive police state, release political prisoners, and reduce government presence at elections (Pelley had still held elections, but even after the NPP stopped actively threatening people to make them vote Redeemer, the Redeemers tended to win 97% of the vote with 137% turnout in most elections, with only token delegations reserved for the Socialists and Loyal Democrats), finally limiting the President to two terms at the end of President King's administration in late 1972 (King wasn't running for re-election, believing that it was his place to make way for a candidate of the Coming Race, so it wasn't like it would cause a crisis or anything). The insane dictator remains a controversial figure in American politics, lionized as the hero who annihilated the Confederacy by nationalists, but also greatly disliked in many circles for his heavy-handed measures, dictatorial rule, and crimes against humanity.
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    President Martin Luther King, Jr., Pelley's successor. A pastor and an ardent believer in Coming Race Theory and the Redeemer cause, King, born in a sharecropper's hut in the Confederacy, was considered an unlikely successor to Pelley due to his quiet opposition within the Party to the rigging of elections and concerns about the suicide and abuse rate in Yankee re-education schools. However, when Party National Protection Police head Richard Nixon revealed his hated rival, Party propaganda chief John F. Kennedy, to be a serial sexual predator, and Party Speaker of the House Malcolm Little denounced both men, King won the primary (the only truly free election in America at the time) as a compromise candidate in a landslide. A well-spoken, handsome black man, King was popular with the people and a much sharper political actor than he let on, using Little's support to get Nixon and Kennedy kicked out of the Party and arrested, then doubling down on crushing the headless NPP and disseminating its more reliable personnel into actual government departments. Using the bully pulpit much like his predecessor, King was a more well-rounded speaker than the ranting, insane Pelley, and achieved considerable success.

    During King's administration, the re-education program was ended, though at this point the damage had been done; the few Confederate diehards who'd escaped the Midwest labor camps were approaching retirement age, and an entire generation had grown up in Yankee re-education schools and was beginning to have kids of their own. Although some Redeemer occupation governments in the South weren't happy about letting the Dixies vote again, King being a black man himself definitely helped smooth things over.

    Believing that the Coming Race's time was at hand (the first large cadre of interracial children now nearing 30), King approved a Constitutional amendment to establish Presidential term limits in 1972, then retired to a California villa with his family. He remained extremely popular throughout the USA and continued to speak publicly and hold sermons until his death in 2007.
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    House Minority Leader and later President Rosa Parks, certified after the Reunification as a member of the Coming Race due to her Native American, black, and Scots-Irish ancestry. Born into de facto slavery (of the permanent debt slavery model) in the Confederacy, Parks rose to prominence when the Socialists won a significant minority in President King's first midterms, the first elections to take place without NPP guards ensuring that the ballot boxes were filled with enough straight-ticket Redeemer ballots. Winning re-election twice, Parks then ran for President, defeating Speaker Little and corrupt Senator Ronald Reagan, in what President King endorsed as "the triumph of the Coming Race and the beginning of the culmination of President Pelley's prophetic vision". Parks herself didn't believe any of that alien lizard Jesus claptrap, and instead proposed the elimination of formal racial divisions as part of the healing and de-Pelleyization process. This worked great on paper, not so well in practice, given the decades of Pelley's indoctrination and batshit crazy race propaganda in the South and the last gasp of white supremacist ideology in that region. Parks would serve two terms as President, before retiring to go work in Socialist Party-linked charities.
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    Going to post the rest of this over the next 2 days, covering every President from Pelley to the modern day and the slow return of the USA to proper democracy.
     
  18. theg*ddam*hoi2fan Beware of the Leopard

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    @Worffan101 - you've done it again :D Nice work.

    I may have to try doing something for this again myself...
     
  19. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    My idea is that basically the fall of Pelley's regime is extremely American in the most hilarious ways, involving sex scandals, Tricky Dick, wiretapping, corrupt Congresscritters with secret families, and the internecine incompetent infighting of the morons in power leading to someone from out of left field taking over and wrecking their plans. Having a lot of fun writing this.
     
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    Excellent... This sounds epic :D
     
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