Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

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    Fredrik Kaarle I, born Frederick Charles Louis Constantine, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse, the German and first king of the Kingdom of Finland, a puppet state of the German Empire established in the aftermath of the First Great War.

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    Queen Margaret of Finland, born Princess Margaret of Prussia and the youngest sibling of Kaiser Wilhelm II.

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    King Filipo I of Finland, born Philipp, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse, the king of Finland during the Second Great War, during which the majority of the Kingdom of Finland fell under Russian occupation. In spite of this, the remnants of the Finnish army put up a stiff and stubborn resistance to the Russian occupation forces and as a result became famous for their resistance throughout the war.

    (OOC: I know there is some inconsistency in the books about Finland. However, it makes more sense that Finland would be independent after GWI, with a German and Finnish victory against the Finnish Bolsheviks like IOTL. I think in the books it's possible that they could have been referencing a Finland under occupation by the Russian Empire).

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    Joris Van Severen, leader of the Diets-Flemish National Solidarists (Diets-Vlaamsch Nationaal Solidaristen), an actionist and Dutch nationalist political party in German-occupied Belgium that advocated for the integration of Flanders into the Kingdom of the Netherlands and the creation of a Greater Netherlands or "Dietsland." In 1938, the party was banned and Van Severen fled to Amsterdam in the Netherlands, where he soon afterwards became acquainted with Anton Mussert, leader of the NNB. The two became good friends and began to work together. After the Entente invasions of Belgium and the Netherlands, Van Severen and the DFNS collaborated with both the French in Belgium and the French and the British in the occupied Netherlands, with many members joining Dutch units in the French Army. After the war, Van Severen was captured by the German Army and put into custody, where he committed suicide in prison on May 27, 1944.

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    Staf De Clercq, leader of the Flemish National Union (Vlaamsch Nationaal Verbond), an actionist and Flemish nationalist political party in German-occupied Belgium. Unlike the DVNS, the VNV did not want a union with the Netherlands and wanted Flemish independence instead. In 1938, the party was banned and De Clercq fled to the town of Dunkerque, Kingdom of France. After the French invasion of Belgium, De Clercq returned to Belgium and him and the VNV began to collaborate with the French occupiers, hoping for an independent Flanders to be established after the end of the war. He died in Antwerp in 1942.

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    Cornelius Eduardus "Ward" Hermans, the leader of the VNV after the death of Staf de Clercq. After the liberator of Belgium by Germany, Hermans was captured by the German armies and was then arrested for collaboration. After Belgium regained independence, Hermans and other Entente collaborators were tried for collaborating with the enemy and for treason against Belgium. He was found guilty and was sentenced to life imprisonment. He was eventually released in 1976 due to his poor health, and he died of natural causes in 1980.
     
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    Photograph of the Empire State Building following a Confederate bombing raid over Manhattan (August 11, 1942). A CSAF fighter plane lost control and crashed into the 70th floor of the Empire State Building, causing a major fire on the upper levels of the building.
     
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    Dietrich Trump, a member of the German Conservative Party (DkP), became Chancellor after securing a majority in the 2013 German federal elections. Trump, a native of Cologne, originally worked for his father's automobile company, Trumpswagen. With political influence in the Cologne area, Trump was asked by the DkP to run for the seat held by the recently deceased Joseph Goebbels in 1982.
     
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    Anti-Freedomite/Confederate negro resistance fighters from the Afro-nationalist/republican and anti-communist Army for Negro Salvation and Liberation (ANSL) attack Confederate forces in Kentucky, circa 1943.
    ANSL was the best equipped, trained, organised, & largest of the resistance movements inside the CSA. It received lots of covert support by the USA to disrupt and harass the Confederacy. C.S. President Jake Featherston desperately wanted the literal head of their leader, Nicholas Carey Baxter, on his desk.

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    Founder and leader of ANSL, Nicholas C. Baxter in December 1943 (top). Members of the second largest anti-Freedomite resistance group, the communist Negro People’s Liberation Front or NPLF pictured here in northern Virginia (centre). Jayden Steve Dorsey, founder and leader of the NPLF in November 1942 (bottom).
    Both groups had multiple cells across the Confederate States of America and caused numerous headaches for Richmond and tied down much needed troops, stole/destroyed supplies, and did anything else to slow down or weaken the Confederate war effort during the Second Great War. However, despite this ANSL and the NPLF didn’t trust or like each other and often fought each other with them only cooperating occasionally to do greater damage to the Featherston Regime than they normally would alone.

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    A C.S. Army supply train destroyed by ANSL and NPLF partisans in 1941.​
     
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    One of the most famous photographs from the Second Great War. Confederate POWs were required to watch footage of the concentration camps used in the Population Reduction. Many of these soldiers were unaware of the atrocities committed by the Freedomite government and began to break down and cry.
     
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    I disagree that they'd be unaware, there's a very strong point in the books that many Confederates knew exactly what was going on but just didn't care because "they had it coming."
     
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    A Confederate Youth of the National Assault Force on an motorcycle and wearing an stolen Union helmet, 1944.


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    Howard Philips Lovecraft (1890-1936) also is known as "Columbia's biggest traitor".
    During the First Great War, would become a spy for the British. Acting as a journalist, he would visit the Canadian front and later give the positions to Canadian intelligence.
    In 1917 he would move down to the Confederate front where he would give the southerners pieces of information

    After being found out in 1917, he would stay low and escape to the Confederate states. Where he would stay until his hanging by the Freedomite government for being a "yank spy".
     
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    Now I understand why you asked this question.

    According to the books, Haiti was in danger of being invaded during the late 19th Century and, apparently, was invaded an occupied during the First Great War.
    I forgot about that. I assumed that the Confederates would leave them alone since the birth of the CSA until the Second Great War.

    They wouldn't commit genocide on Haiti so early in TL-191, even in a hypothetical Third Southern Victory scenario. They couldn't make them into slaves anymore, either. The Confederacy may have hated the existence of Haiti, but what else where they gonna do besides ignore them and probably just give them the "We don't recognize Black Republics" treatment. Assuming that the CSA may have thought about getting rid of them, that wouldn't look too good in the eyes of the international community.

    A plausible answer to this question is that they are probably treated the way the U.S. did during the Banana Wars in OTL. Or they are left alone.

    Good find. I can imagine him finding some kind of better fortune in the victorious Confederacy.
     
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    Some interesting things about cities from another theard.



     
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    Benito Mussolini (July 29, 1883-June 26, 1968), leader and founder of the National Fascist Party (Partito Nazionale Fascista), an Italian far-right and Actionist political party that was founded on November 9, 1917 and officially disbanded by the Italian government on May 31, 1920. Mussolini, a former socialist, founded the aforementioned party largely as a result of Italy not entering the First Great War on the side of the Entente Powers and other domestic problems within Italy, such as corruption, poverty and even some other issues such as trains not running on time. In response to losing the elections of 1920, on May 21 and May 22, 1920, Mussolini and his supporters in the PNF, along with Gabrielle D'Annunzio (March 12, 1863-May 21, 1920), leader of the right-wing to far-right Italian Nationalist Association (Associazione Nazionalista Italiana), staged an attempted coup in Rome known as the "March on Rome." The coup ended in a complete failure after the death of D'Annunzio, possibly on the orders of Mussolini, and a harsh crackdown by the Italian Army. After the coup. Mussolini was was arrested, tried, and convicted of treason against the Kingdom of Italy, and was then imprisoned for five years in the San Vittore Prison in Milan. After he was released from prison in August, 1925, Mussolini had found his former political base had evaporated and joined other smaller far-right parties in Italy, none of which had any serious chance of gaining any power. As a result, Mussolini retired from politics and moved to a life of obscurity in his hometown of Predappio. He spent the rest of his life living in obscurity and working numerous odd jobs around the area of his hometown. He also wrote a number of books about Italian history, political theory, among other subjects. Throughout the 1930s, numerous far-right and Actionists within Italy called on Mussolini to come out of retirement to lead a new far-right coalition, but he refused on every occasion. On June 26, 1968, Mussolini died of heart failure in Predappio at the age of 84. None of his children or descendants ever attained political office.

    OOC: Much of this comes from the Filing the Gaps post on the Kingdom of Italy.

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    King Umberto II of Italy (September 15, 1904-October 28, 1982), King of Italy for almost thirty-five years between December 28, 1947 until his death in 1982. His reign saw the Kingdom of Italy becoming an important secondary power in Europe and Africa throughout the Post-War Era, as well as an increasing of relations between Italy and Germany.

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    Thank you! He's honesty interesting, and even after the Civil War, flew the Confederate flag from the battlements of his family's castle in Prussia, came back to America to meet with comrades and friends, including Wade Hampton, William H. F. Lee, and Matthew C. Butler, and even the Sons of Confederate Veterans purchased a new headstone for von Borcke when the orignal was destroyed by the Red Army in 45.

    He may be an Confederate version of Von Steuben, Pulaski, and Lafayette, his Prussian/German heritage being overlooked and more focus on his friendship with Stuart and time in the War of Secession. Maybe even fighting in the Second Mexcian War. (He would avoid the injured he suffered in 1863.)
     
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    That's the sad truth. The fact of the matter is the average Confederate reaction to the Population Reduction was 'It should have killed more blacks'. I'm not saying the whole population would be like that, and maybe some would be horrified to some point, but the great deal of the South accepted it, and wanted the Blacks gone.
     
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    Historic Black Population in North America between , 1790-1860

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    Note: While it is true that the Black population in the United States after 1862 would be significantly small, I noticed that Missouri has a decent amount of that same group. Besides cities such as Philadelphia and Boston, Missouri was the only state in which Blacks could be found in large numbers.

    I'd like to think that when the U.S. army was desegregated and allowed Blacks to serve during the Second Great War, many African-Americans from Missouri answered the call to fight against the Confederacy.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
     
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    Another good reason why the U.S. and the international community would never allow the CSA to exist again.
     
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    Welp, I imagine that TTL's version of Denazification is going to be significantly harder and more costly, considering that the US is going to be trying to reintegrate the South after it spent over 80 years as an independent country. That's not even bringing up the Neo-Confederate groups that will likely form in the later years that will resist the US every step of the way.
     
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    Map of North America during Operation Blackbeard

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    A few changes from the original story:
    *Sequoyah and the missing parts of Sonora, Chihuahua, Missouri, and Delmarva peninsula are successfully conquered by the CSA, until late 1943--early 1944
    *Canadian Rebels declare the rest of Canada west of Quebec into a self-declared state.
    *The term "Radius Powers" is an OTL reference to how the phrase "Axis Powers" appeared.

    Some other notes:
    -The darker the red color is, the more in control the CSA has over the area. That red dot in the Atlantic Ocean is Bermuda.
    -I didn't like the idea of Mexico and Quebec being involved in SGW, but I decided to keep them in the story so it won't be too different.
    -I could see some small skirmishes being done by Alaskan Russians near the region in Canada and the Pacific Northwest region.
    -Oh, and the Dominican Republic could have a more active role in invading Haiti.
    -White is neutral
     
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    @Alterwright, and @Allochronian, an interesting idea between me and @Joshua Ben Ari.


    I could see a Von Borcke Society in hopes of improving German-Confederate relations, or at least improving the view of German-Confederates in the CSA.

    But it would do wonders for German-Confederates in Texas (Ferdinand Koenig, for example), Virginia, and Kentucky. Especially in Texas, where German Texans developed into a distinct group and there even was the Texasdeutsch dialect language.
     
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