Photos from Featherston's Confederacy/ TL-191

I understand that this is supposed to be a parallel to The Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick, but wasn't The Grasshopper Lies Heavy a book-within-a-book that described a similar, but not exact, non-Axis victory of the Second World War?

I suppose this was an artistic difference that you chose?

. Interesting idea. I would like to see how this can be possible within Turtledove's standards or outside of them.

I can see another civil war occurring in Russia, but Japan collapsing would be too much of a stretch. USA would be too preoccupied with the CSA and Canadian rebels. Britain wouldn't even have the time and/or resources to deal with another enemy from a larger and hungrier Japan. Skirmishes in the Pacific islands and a few naval battles? Yes, it's plausible, I admit.
However, even if the Japanese Empire will collapse, I see it happening decades after the 1940's, not immediately after an Entente Victory.



That's sad that more groups of people will be getting popreducked. I'd like to know how the unofficial policy of "trusting a Chihuahuan/Sonoran/Sequoyahn over a Black" gets changed.

Ehh… I don't really see why the Confederacy would become a theocratic dictatorship. Featherston was a nonbeliever who did not care about the Christian Faith. Even if they experience some kind of social revolution similar to the 1960's that pits Tradition vs. Progress, no politician is going to suggest with a straight face to let their confederate republic combine Church and State. I also would like to see how these two different religious groups face persecution in a society that at best, is indifferent to them, or just minutely suspicious of due to their differences to the rest of American Protestant Christianity.


You just broke the fourth wall.
+1000 points for you.
1) This was an artistic liscense-I didn't want to 1:1 Man in the High Castle to Timeline-191. The title was of course a deliberate allusion. I decided to have this timeline's Orwell write it because I wanted to come up with someone other than Philip K. Dick for an author and I could definitely see Orwell dabbling in the alternate history genre.
2) The idea I had was Japan collapsed due to swallowing up more than it could chew without much (if any) outside interference, leaving its erstwhile allies to pick up the pieces. The series would be set in the mid-1960's like Man in the High Castle was, which gives Japan almost 20 years to collapse.
3) The idea is the shift is born of the logic Featherston produced, but the man himself didn't promote it. I would posit Featherston chose to retire by the early 1950's and was succeeded by someone much more fanatical who was more ideologically committed to racial supremacy as a pseudoscience rather than just an outgrowth of the "stab in the back" narrative the Freedomite perpetuated. This combined with increased Mexican-Confederate tensions and unrest in Cuba led to nasty results.

Regarding the theocratic angle, that was something I felt would have its place as a gradual worsening of the Freedomite CSA. Even if Featherston wasn't a believer, the Confederacy still definitely had a strong religious streak. This stuff would be in the early stages during the time the series took place-it's less of revolution turning the CSA into Gilead than yet more erosion of minority rights at a slow pace that will certainly build to worse consequences. Because we never learn. Also I would assume that if Featherston is still alive, he's not necessarily a fan of how things are going now (think how Hitler in MITHC was concerned about nuclear war with Japan)
4) I'm a sucker for being meta. ;)
 
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Theodore G. Bilbo served was a dedicated senator from Mississippi. After the Freedom Party grew into further prominence, Bilbo began to side with the Freedom Party, despite his affiliation with the Whig Party. After communicating with Jake Featherston, he arranges for Bilbo to be elected as the Freedom Party Governor of Mississippi, after splitting from the Whig Party. During his time as Governor, he got into contact with the black separatist Marcus Garvey with a plan he dubbed the "Caribbean Plan" where the Confederacy's black are to be shipped out of the Confederacy and into one of various Caribbean Islands, such as Haiti or Jamaica. He proposed this plan to Jake Featherston himself, saying that he would "think about it." It wasn't until 1941 when Bilbo realized the real purpose of the population reduction was not deporting the country's blacks, but to exterminate them.

With Mississippi beginning to heard it's black population into camps, he gets into contact with Marcus Garvey, and they formulate a variation of the Caribbean Plan. Instead of deporting the whatever black they can save to Jamaica or Haiti, the latter being occupied by the Confederacy, they would transfer them to the U.S. controlled Bahamas. For the first act of the plan, Bilbo will order blacks in various camps to be transfered to newly built camps on the Gulf Coast where they will be secretly boarded onto ships, provided by Garvey, and transported to freedom. This plan resulted in over fifteen hundred blacks being transfered out of the Confederacy. Unfortunately, the plan hit an unfortunate end in 1942, when the Freedom Party caught wind of it. Many of the remaining ships were torpedoed by the Confederate Navy, several were intercepted by the British Navy, the Confederacy's ally, and Bilbo and Garvey were arrested by the Freedom Party. While Garvey was sent to Camp Determination, Bilbo was sent to the camp at Huntsville, Alabama to assemble rockets that would be launched at the United States. In 1944, the camp was liberated by the U.S. Army. When he and his fellow prisoners were freed, he encountered a black truck driver who gave them food. When asked, the driver aid his name was Cincinnatus Driver. Cincinnatus would later recount that Bilbo told him, "You're a credit to your race, Mr. Driver. I apologize to you."

Bilbo lived the rest of his life quietly in Poplarville, Mississippi. During this time, he wrote a memoir called "Take Your Choice: Separation or Extermination," of which he deticated to Marcus Garvey, who unfortunately died in Camp Determination. In the book, he explains his experiences during the Freedomite Era and why he believes that the races must be separate from one another and leave one another alone. In 1947, he was invited to the Black American Memorial Conference in New Orleans, delivering a heart felt speech that was surprisingly well received. He died that night from heart failure. Despite his racist beliefs, Theodore Bilbo is often proclaimed as a hero for his defiance toward the Featherston Government. His and Marcus Garvey's actions are recreated in the 1993 film by Steven Spielberg, "Bilbo's Plan."
 
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As mentioned elsewhere I suspect that Bilbo is too blatantly race-baiting for the Mitchel Administration (one expects that the Whigs tended more towards genteel prejudice and occasional tolerance when it came to Coloured Confederates) and I definitely believe that Bilbo's apparent tendency to be dogged by scandals would kill his chances to become VP - nevertheless this is a very fine Article and merits serious consideration.

Having said that, it seems very unlikely that the Royal Navy would do any favours for President Featherston vis-a-vis the Population Reduction; Churchill's alliance with the Confederacy would appear to be a matter of getting as much while giving as little as possible and I find it difficult to imagine the RN allowing their valuable warships to be tied up with such a waste of their time and morale.
 
As mentioned elsewhere I suspect that Bilbo is too blatantly race-baiting for the Mitchel Administration (one expects that the Whigs tended more towards genteel prejudice and occasional tolerance when it came to Coloured Confederates) and I definitely believe that Bilbo's apparent tendency to be dogged by scandals would kill his chances to become VP - nevertheless this is a very fine Article and merits serious consideration.

Having said that, it seems very unlikely that the Royal Navy would do any favours for President Featherston vis-a-vis the Population Reduction; Churchill's alliance with the Confederacy would appear to be a matter of getting as much while giving as little as possible and I find it difficult to imagine the RN allowing their valuable warships to be tied up with such a waste of their time and morale.
I hear ya.
 
As mentioned elsewhere I suspect that Bilbo is too blatantly race-baiting for the Mitchel Administration (one expects that the Whigs tended more towards genteel prejudice and occasional tolerance when it came to Coloured Confederates) and I definitely believe that Bilbo's apparent tendency to be dogged by scandals would kill his chances to become VP - nevertheless this is a very fine Article and merits serious consideration.

Having said that, it seems very unlikely that the Royal Navy would do any favours for President Featherston vis-a-vis the Population Reduction; Churchill's alliance with the Confederacy would appear to be a matter of getting as much while giving as little as possible and I find it difficult to imagine the RN allowing their valuable warships to be tied up with such a waste of their time and morale.
I also chose Bilbo as he probably would have been chosen by Mitchel to gain votes in the Gulf States.
 
Maybe Kenneth McKellar could be substituted for Bilbo? He seems like a decent and inoffensive guy - one could rationalize Mitchel picking him by having him stay in Alabama where he was born instead of moving to Tennessee like IOTL.

That would be another fair possibility; given the Freedom Party have a fairly strong grip on Tennessee, it's not impossible that the Whigs would be happy to have a Tennessee candidate for VP - as a way of putting them in contention throughout the Volunteer State.:)
 
I have a question. In OTL, Hitler remarked that Germany had a "National Socialist Air force, an Imperial Army, and a Communist Navy." Was there anything like this in TL-191

If so, maybe the equivalent phrase was a "Freedomite Airforce, a Whig Army, and a Radical Liberal Navy."
 
In OTL, Hitler remarked that Germany had a "National Socialist Air force, an Imperial Army, and a Communist Navy."
Hitler is actually quoted saying "I have a reactionary Army, a National Socialist Air Force, and a Christian Navy." It was because the Kriegsmarine was the least politically indoctrinated of all the nation's armed forces and the least willing to engage & participate in acts of cruelty during wartime.
 
Hitler is actually quoted saying "I have a reactionary Army, a National Socialist Air Force, and a Christian Navy." It was because the Kriegsmarine was the least politically indoctrinated of all the nation's armed forces and the least willing to engage & participate in acts of cruelty during wartime.
is something like this applicable to Featherston?
 
is something like this applicable to Featherston?
Possibly. I'd need to go back over the books, but given that the air force was re-established thanks to Featherston it'd make sense they'd be amongst his biggest supporters. The army was also the main place for the older families who were more traditionalist, so they'd be more reactionary than Freedomite. The navy is a trickier one, but I don't recall we got much of an insight into their operation during the SGW compared with the CSN POV we had in the FGW.
 

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A picture of men from the 33rd Freedom Party Guard Division Calvert resting on the beaches of Tidewater Virginia, ca. 1944.

The Confederacy was always doomed to have less manpower than the US, a problem further exacerbated by the US annexation of Canada and several key pieces of former Confederate territory in the wake of the First Great War. To help combat this the Confederacy would resort to a variety of ingenious solutions, most notably the introduction of assault rifles and submachine guns for their infantry and faster firing machine guns. Lesser known were the numerous Northern Legions. The history of the North units could be traced back to the multiple pincer movements conducted during Operation Blackbeard that yielded thousands of prisoners for the Confederacy. Rather than let all of this critical manpower go to waste, the Confederates began to implement a series of programs where prisoners could be let out of camps in exchange for working in Confederate factories and farms. It quickly became clear to Ferdinand Koenig the immense value that these men would have in clearing up much needed whites for military service, and soon tens of thousands of Northern POWs were forcibly brought out of the POW camps and into the munition plants, oil refineries, and farms of the South, under close watch, of course. By mid 1942 it was estimated that this effort had cleared up some 125, 000 Southern whites for military service, men desperately needed with the fighting in Ohio and western Pennsylvania costing far more casualties than expected.

For a while this system was sufficient for the Confederacy, but that would change in the aftermath of the Northern victory at Pittsburgh and the destruction of much of the Confederate Army of Kentucky, which suffered over 250, 000 casualties in the battle. This crippling blow tore a massive hole into Confederate lines that simply could not be filled, Southern manpower reserves already stretched to the breaking point fighting the war against the North, the black insurgents, and elsewhere. This would be the deciding factor for Koenig to suggest the idea of setting up mass collaborator units to fight for the South. Really it wasn't a totally new concept. Ever since 1941 Northerners had been fighting in the Southern armies, but these were mostly people who had escaped across the border in the opening weeks of the conflict to defect to the CSA. In this manner several CS units had been established from out of the Northern population pool, including two Missourian divisions, two West Virginian, a Maryland, and a Sequoyah division. Now Koenig looked to these units for inspiration for what would become the Northern Legions.

The Northern Legions would be raised from amongst the throngs of US POWs sitting idly by in camps across the South. Much like the industrial and agricultural work programs, these men would be "volunteered" for service in regular CS outfits manned by former US POWs and staffed by Southern (or, in some cases, Mexican) officers. The idea was immediately given the greenlight by Featherston, who saw the propaganda value having such units could have (they would be filmed by Saul Goldman as "evidence" of the common Northerners' support for the Freedomite struggle against "Marxist-Negr* Rule"). An initial order for 350, 000 such men was filed by the Confederate Army in March of 1943, with this being more than doubled to 800, 000 in June after the US landings in Kentucky.

The first units began to be assembled as early as the first week of April, and by the end of May some 75, 000 Northerners had been "volunteered" for service in CS Army outfits. Despite pleas from such figures as Patton for use on the front, these were all placed at secondary positions to clear up regular Confederate units for the front. By late summer of 1943 some 100, 000 Northerners were employed to man the South's numerous anti-air craft batteries alone, the commander of Richmond's defenses famously pointing out the irony that the AA guns had to be manned by Yankees as he requested another 5, 000 men for his guns in August of that year. Elsewhere the Northerners were also sent to replace Confederate garrisons at forts scattered across the Gulf and Atlantic coasts, most famously Fort Fisher at Wilmington and Fort Featherston (ironically enough) at the entrance to Charleston Harbor. But perhaps the most famous deployment of these "Galvanized Yankees" would be against the black guerrillas of the cotton belt. By early 1944 over 60% of all "Confederate" units operating against the guerrillas were actually Northern POWs. Despite initial worries on the part of skeptics in the Guards, these POWs developed a reputation for extreme ruthlessness against the blacks, many blaming the blacks for the South having seceded in the first place.

But that didn't mean that no Northerners were recruited into combat positions. Particularly ideologically sound individuals were often cleared for military service if they proved themselves at their previous posts fighting guerrillas or manning AA guns. Some even joined the Freedom Party Guards. This was how the 33rd FPG Division Calvert would become established. Much like the regular Freedom Party Guard units, the Northern collaborator ones were grouped along regional lines. Calvert was thus comprised of Marylanders, Washingtonians, and Delawareans who had volunteered for service in the combat wing of the Freedom Party Guards. A total of seven such units would be created from Northern troops, these being Choctaw (comprised of pro-Confederate Native Americans from Sequoyah), El Dorado (from the Rockies region, including a regiment of Utah Mormons), Ozark (from Missouri), Keokuk (from Missouri and Downstate Illinois), Allegheny (from Ohio and Pennsylvania), Kanawha (from West Virginia), and Calvert. Aside from these, two other foreign Guards units would be created by 1944, these being Montezuma (from the Empire of Mexico), and Antilles (comprised of white British and French citizens from the Caribbean). These foreign units would go on to become some of the most feared units in the entire Guards outfit, infamous for their tenacity at such battles as Massanutten Mountain, Clemson, Huntsville, and leading the Confederate counterattack in the Wilderness during December 1943-January 1944. A total of 120, 000 men would serve in all foreign Freedom Party Guards outfits during the war, another roughly 500, 000 in the regular Northern Legions.

After the war many Northern generals were torn on how to treat their fellow countrymen who had served with the Confederate armed forces. Some figures argued that they be shot for treason, but in the end cooler heads prevailed and almost all of those "volunteered" for service (whether in factories, farms, or the armed forces) were cleared of any wrongdoing, the blame instead being passed on to the various Confederate officials who had okayed the initiatives in the first place. As for the various Freedom Party Guards divisions, however, the Northerners would not be so lucky. All survivors were arrested for treason, some 1, 000 being executed for it by the end of 1946. On top of this, all of the foreign Guards units were found complicit in several, outrageous crimes against humanity, including the murder in cold blood of over 150 black truck drivers at the hands of Freedom Party Guards Division Ozark in Kentucky in June of 1943.
 
I take it that the Calvert, along with Ozark, was the most infamous of the collaborator units in terms of brutality?

EDIT: Incidentally, would US PoWs descended from nationalities that were on the side of the Allies, like Russians and Belgians, be more likely to join the Northern Legion?
 
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I take it that the Calvert, along with Ozark, was the most infamous of the collaborator units in terms of brutality?

EDIT: Incidentally, would US PoWs descended from nationalities that were on the side of the Allies, like Russians and Belgians, be more likely to join the Northern Legion?

Yes.

Usually the Confederates targeted people with Southern, Mormon, Mexican and Canadian roots as those were deemed as most likely to harbor some kind of anti-US sentiment. However, people of British, French, and other descent were targeted for "volunteering" into the Northern Legions, yes.
 
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